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wodmarach: Nintendo: "Hey your producing hardware to bypass our security and selling it for big bucks stop or we sue!"
Sony:"WTF DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE TINKERING WITH THE HARDWARE YOU BOUGHT?! YOU DIDN'T BUY THAT WE JUST RENT IT TO YOU! NOW STOP THAT AND HERES YOUR LAWSUIT STOPPING YOU GETTING ANYTHING FROM US IN THE FUTURE!!11"
Apparently you miss the :

"IMPORTANT: After the Nintendo 3DS system is updated, any existing or future unauthorized technical modification of the hardware or software of your Nintendo 3DS system, or the use of an unauthorized device in connection with your system, may render the system permanently unplayable. Content deriving from the unauthorized modification of the hardware or software of your Nintendo 3DS system may be removed. Failure to accept the update may render games unplayable."

You also miss the controversy at the 3DS release about the console logging all the games you were playing on it and being, theoretically, able to detect if you played unauthorized games and, in such case, brick itself. (Honestly I don't know if it ever was anything but a threat from Nintendo and if they actually every did it).
Post edited December 29, 2012 by Gersen
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wodmarach: Nintendo: "Hey your producing hardware to bypass our security and selling it for big bucks stop or we sue!"
Sony:"WTF DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE TINKERING WITH THE HARDWARE YOU BOUGHT?! YOU DIDN'T BUY THAT WE JUST RENT IT TO YOU! NOW STOP THAT AND HERES YOUR LAWSUIT STOPPING YOU GETTING ANYTHING FROM US IN THE FUTURE!!11"
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Gersen: Apparently you miss the :

"IMPORTANT: After the Nintendo 3DS system is updated, any existing or future unauthorized technical modification of the hardware or software of your Nintendo 3DS system, or the use of an unauthorized device in connection with your system, may render the system permanently unplayable. Content deriving from the unauthorized modification of the hardware or software of your Nintendo 3DS system may be removed. Failure to accept the update may render games unplayable."

You also miss the controversy at the 3DS release about the console logging all the games you were playing on it and being, theoretically, able to detect if you played unauthorized games and, in such case, brick itself. (Honestly I don't know if it ever was anything but a threat from Nintendo and if they actually every did it).
No didn't miss a thing, firmware updates to close security holes are a known part of consoles for 2 generations now, hell all 3 have bricked consoles that have been hacked thats par for the course but claiming the user only RENTS the hardware and so can't alter it and can never use their hardware again? All Sony.
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gameon: If the Ouya has Linux or some sort of operating system compatability, then it could make sense as a cheap computer.
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Miaghstir: It runs Android, so it's compatible (if nothing else, then through recompilation) but doesn't have an X server so normal GUI applications are out. Likely someone will make a Debian or Arch based distro for the thing. Personally though, for that purpose, I'd opt for a Raspberry Pi (then again, I already have two of those).
R-Pi has no Wi-Fi, no built-in flash, no box, less RAM, its CPU is much slower, has no NEON, and it's just ARMv6. Why do you think it doesn't have X? Tegra 3 has binary blobs with X support for Linux 3.1, Ubuntu even has version for Tegra 3 based Nexus 7.
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wodmarach: No didn't miss a thing, firmware updates to close security holes are a known part of consoles for 2 generations now, hell all 3 have bricked consoles that have been hacked thats par for the course but claiming the user only RENTS the hardware and so can't alter it and can never use their hardware again? All Sony.
They all do that, read the user agreement, none of the three big console maker willingly accept that you tinker with their hardware and they will do everything in their power to prevent it (They don't make money selling consoles, they make money selling licenses, they want to to buy games, not to do something else with your console). Their aggressiveness has nothing to do with how nice/evil they are but only to how big the leak actually is.
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wodmarach: No didn't miss a thing, firmware updates to close security holes are a known part of consoles for 2 generations now, hell all 3 have bricked consoles that have been hacked thats par for the course but claiming the user only RENTS the hardware and so can't alter it and can never use their hardware again? All Sony.
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Gersen: They all do that, read the user agreement, none of the three big console maker willingly accept that you tinker with their hardware and they will do everything in their power to prevent it (They don't make money selling consoles, they make money selling licenses, they want to to buy games, not to do something else with your console). Their aggressiveness has nothing to do with how nice/evil they are but only to how big the leak actually is.
Actually NO they bloody well don't only Sony claims they still own the hardware once it's in the hands of the user all the others just place restrictions for their services ie games and online, Sony claims that if you alter their system you don't just lose the right to use their services you lose the right to the hardware itself!
While the OUYA isn't a product that interests me I can imagine it finding its market with all those kids and teens who would like to play around, program, hack and so on but aren't allowed to do so on their (or their parents') computers or don't do it because they are afraid to break something. So they connect the OUYA to their TV and try it all out. AND they can use existing android apps on that thing. And although you can use those apps on your tablet as well, playing with more than one person at the same time isn't really comfortable on a tablet but works with an OUYA.
So yes, I can imagine that it will find its niche.
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Thunderstone: At least Nintendo hasn't tried to wage war against hackers,
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Gersen: Wait,,, what ?

I am not sure if you comment was meant to be sarcastic, because Nintendo is extremely aggressive against hacker & mod chip / unofficial cartridge makers, even going as far as managing to make it illegal to even own a R4 cartridge (or equivalent) in some countries.
I can assure you that I was not being sarcastic or agressive, check out these people:
http://www.pokecommunity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=37
http://hax.iimarck.us/

This is the pokemon ROM hacking community, and I shouldn't get in trouble with the mods here because these people (should) only be attaching the patch and not the ROM itself. Nintendo turns a blind eye to these people.

I agree that Nintendo is still a prick, but slightly less so. Now if anyone dares mod Chrono Trigger for example, Sony will try to shut the project down.
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Piranjade: While the OUYA isn't a product that interests me I can imagine it finding its market with all those kids and teens who would like to play around, program, hack and so on but aren't allowed to do so on their (or their parents') computers or don't do it because they are afraid to break something. So they connect the OUYA to their TV and try it all out. AND they can use existing android apps on that thing. And although you can use those apps on your tablet as well, playing with more than one person at the same time isn't really comfortable on a tablet but works with an OUYA.
So yes, I can imagine that it will find its niche.
It will, I think the amount of money raised is evidence to support that ;)
Post edited December 29, 2012 by Thunderstone
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Piranjade: And although you can use those apps on your tablet as well, playing with more than one person at the same time isn't really comfortable on a tablet but works with an OUYA.
So yes, I can imagine that it will find its niche.
Connect your tablet with HDMI to the TV, use blutooth controllers and its exactly the same.
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Thunderstone: ...
360 and PS3 are moddable to some degree too... you'll have to replace certain hardware parts for which you'll be banned from online activities, but at least for offline fooling around there are workarounds.
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KingofGnG: Yeah, another casual gaming-focused tiny machine is ready to monetize "games" up your ass. The world is a better place now -_-"
I like it how people downrepped your post but nobody replied to it with actual arguments
I just don't see the OUYA having a place in the market, especially if Steam punches a Linux-based box and provides Greenlight as a method for indie devs to get their games on there.
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KingofGnG: Yeah, another casual gaming-focused tiny machine is ready to monetize "games" up your ass. The world is a better place now -_-"
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Roman5: I like it how people downrepped your post but nobody replied to it with actual arguments
There's nothing to discuss with him on the matter, he's been repeatedly pigheaded about anything that isn't a "blessed PC" for years now, seriously, what exact kind of replies are your expecting?

KingofGnG is a shortsighted, self centered dipstick when it comes to anything that he doesn't personally like (which appears to be a very short list of shit for no apparent reason other than, I don't know, maybe he went through puberty when it came out and he likes it better).

Perhaps if he'd offered anything but inevitable snide remarks people would have something to discuss. As it is we simply know he'll hop into any thread he manages to see about anything that isn't a PC game from a specific era and bitch.

And you, sir, are not much better at times, "it's different! we hates it!" is not a decent way to start a conversation, unless you consider flamwars to be a valid form of conversation.
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KingofGnG: Yeah, another casual gaming-focused tiny machine is ready to monetize "games" up your ass. The world is a better place now -_-"
I know this got down repped, but I do see the system having problems attracting major publishers. It is sort of a chicken or the egg problem. Will there be enough user base for major companies to care enough to port games. On the flip side will there be enough games to get a high user base.

From what I read, even though its Android based, there will still be some porting work needed to get stuff running on it. I also don't know how willing publishers will be to port games to an open system that encourages people modding/hacking it. If it never gets off the ground with major devs, it might get relegated to Angry Birds/Emulator box status.
I hope it succeeds, but i dont think mainstream gamers will embrace it. They are looking forward to Battlefield 4 and Modern Warfare 4, etc. For me, if games are free or really cheap, then i might be interested in getting one.
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Thunderstone: Now if anyone dares mod Chrono Trigger for example, Sony will try to shut the project down.
Wait, what? What does Sony have to do with Chrono Trigger? The game is developed and published by Squenix. In fact, it was Squenix that shut down the Chrono Trigger remake project.

The only thing i remember is that Sony tried to shut Bleem down, and they had valid reasons to do so.
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Roman5: I like it how people downrepped your post but nobody replied to it with actual arguments
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orcishgamer: There's nothing to discuss with him on the matter, he's been repeatedly pigheaded about anything that isn't a "blessed PC" for years now, seriously, what exact kind of replies are your expecting?

KingofGnG is a shortsighted, self centered dipstick when it comes to anything that he doesn't personally like (which appears to be a very short list of shit for no apparent reason other than, I don't know, maybe he went through puberty when it came out and he likes it better).

Perhaps if he'd offered anything but inevitable snide remarks people would have something to discuss. As it is we simply know he'll hop into any thread he manages to see about anything that isn't a PC game from a specific era and bitch.

And you, sir, are not much better at times, "it's different! we hates it!" is not a decent way to start a conversation, unless you consider flamwars to be a valid form of conversation.
This, so much this. There are a few people that are so narrow-minded that it's impossible to even discuss anything in a rational way.
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Roman5: I like it how people downrepped your post but nobody replied to it with actual arguments
Which arguments? That was a personal rant, there is nothing to discuss about it.
Post edited December 29, 2012 by Neobr10