The Shale part was not the biggest issue, the Warden's Keep DLC containing the stash was, imo.

I know they had excuses, but they should have patched the stash into your party camp, doing it via DLC was bullshit and they knew it.
Fallout 3 DLCs also committed the cardinal sin of unbalancing the game, causing very powerful creatures to randomly wipe out NPC camps and shit. I'm not saying DLC can't introduce power creep and the rest, but it shouldn't break the game.

DLC is bullshit and everyone knows it paying full price for half a f***ing game Ludicrous!

FYI, you got Shale for buying new on XBox 360, so really it was an "anti-second hand DLC", dunno if you consider that DRM, I assume the pirates were playing with Shale.
Just gonna go out on a limb here and say you are almost certainly wrong about "everyone knows it" since multiple folks in this thread alone would disagree with your basic premise.

Yes they did! made it damn harder then it should have been so did oblivions

I'll give some examples

Oblivions Orrery Should have been included in the normal game

horse armor should have been included

battlethorn castle should have been included as well as froscrag spire and the other "hide outs"

I reckon Nights of the nine and shivering isles as the only real differing content at all. the rest of them were basic tacked on mods.

Horse armor made almost no difference to the gameplay, just because you didn't have horse armor didn't mean you had "half a game".

With that said I've never played Oblivion, examples are useless anyway, there is no general rule, of which I'm aware, which says most or all DLC results in one only owning "half the game" (yes, I'm misquoting you by not includeding the f***cking, but I find blanking out swear words offensive, say "fucking" if you mean "fucking").

No argument on that one. I enjoyed the Warden's Keep story, but I also thought that needing to buy it to get a party stash was a bit much.

Yes but we have to remember there are little kids here and I don't want to get banned typing the full word when It could land me with a banning plus some people are real touchy when it comes to swearing on thread. I don't think the mods appreciate it either.

Yes you should hear me on a "good day"

I keep it as polite as I can on hear I try and keep it as polite as I can on youtube as I am always in horrible pain I got I.B.S. it's like having appendicitis in your whole midsection.

I like how all your examples are from one game, and the first game to ever really use modern DLC as well. Got anything more recent? Also, all that Oblivion shit was pretty superfluous and hardly impacted the worth of the main game, which was immense.

I agree shit like the locked Orrey door and Dragon Age's "hey partner get the DLC so I can give you a quest" is bad. It's rare though, and the industry was still feeling this shit out at those points. They don't instantly have full grasp on the best methods to utilize digitally distributed expansion content on day one, sorry, they're not superhuman.

Some of you take DLC so personally and assume so much around it that it seems like you're looking for reasons to be pissed off. I bought Mass Effect 2 and it was a 40 hour game worth every bit of it's $50 price. I bought a few of the expansions because they were 5 hours or so and featured good content, worth the price. I skipped some of the other DLC because it was minor and not worth the price. It's a very simple process really... like any game, or any media content, you buy it if you think it's worth it and skip it otherwise.

Yes I have Mass effect 2 as well with the cerberus network included what ever that is it just makes me sign in every damn time I want to play the game it never signs me in properly I'm not sure what it's supposed to do?!?

Yes, the DLC adds DRM and you have to sign in to authenticate once. After that it should work offline fine, if it doesn't for you then I guess you need to troubleshoot it. It worked fine for me.

Is that all it does?!? what a heap of s**t that DLC is then

Yes I included those sh**ty examples from just one game Because they were absolute garbage.

I agree mass effect 2 has some garbage Dragon's age is just a glorified version of a Third Person Perspective Diablo I.M.H.O. has practically ALL the same content I tried "Overlord" hated it stupid keyboard/mouse/gamepad/Nasa shuttle controls control scheme who liked clive barker's jericho with it's stupid qte's to escape falling into drainpipes e.c.t. I know {/ sarcasm} lets make a game made entirely out of qte's Oh.. wait they already did that is called farhenheit / indigo prophecy