Posted December 15, 2012

darthspudius
Steam is Power!
Registered: May 2011
From United Kingdom

AndrewC
Code Ninja
Registered: Sep 2008
From Romania
Posted December 15, 2012
Seen it yesterday with a friend who happens to be a huge LotR fan and the both of us enjoyed it immensely.
Don't see the problem with "all the walking around and talking", as the whole series is more about character building than non-stop action, and I found the pacing of the movie to be overall great. I didn't feel the time pass and found myself wishing that I wouldn't have to wait until march (as far as I remember) until I get to see the next part.
Another big plus in my book was the fact that this was one of the few movies where they didn't go overboard with the 3D effects (seen it in IMAX 3D) and everything fit in place and the image, scenery and overall cinematography was great.
Overall this is, at least for me, one of the best, if not the best movie of 2012.
Going to see it with her and some other friends again next week, so this says something about the movie considering that I'm not a Tolkien geek and rarely watch stuff more than once unless it really makes an impression on me.
Upon a bit more thinking about The Hobbit and the LotR movies, I expected the tone to be different, but that's a good thing IMO. The story of The Hobbit is (obviously) more adventure than epic, and it's good that the film (apparently) reflects that.
The Riddle scene was fucking perfect!
Don't see the problem with "all the walking around and talking", as the whole series is more about character building than non-stop action, and I found the pacing of the movie to be overall great. I didn't feel the time pass and found myself wishing that I wouldn't have to wait until march (as far as I remember) until I get to see the next part.
Another big plus in my book was the fact that this was one of the few movies where they didn't go overboard with the 3D effects (seen it in IMAX 3D) and everything fit in place and the image, scenery and overall cinematography was great.
Overall this is, at least for me, one of the best, if not the best movie of 2012.
Going to see it with her and some other friends again next week, so this says something about the movie considering that I'm not a Tolkien geek and rarely watch stuff more than once unless it really makes an impression on me.
Upon a bit more thinking about The Hobbit and the LotR movies, I expected the tone to be different, but that's a good thing IMO. The story of The Hobbit is (obviously) more adventure than epic, and it's good that the film (apparently) reflects that.
The Riddle scene was fucking perfect!
Post edited December 15, 2012 by AndrewC

xxxIndyxxx
Jedi-Jones
Registered: Jul 2009
From Netherlands
Posted December 15, 2012
My opinion: Disclaimer I am a fan of both the books and the movies and i saw this one in normal 3D.
I loved it and i thought it was going to be boring and too long since the stories doesn't lend itself for 3 movies (i could have understood 2) BUT Peter Jackson did a great job. I don't think there is a lot of guillermo del toro in there anymore. It's a love letter for those who love the movie character of the lord of the rings.
The actor who plays bilbo is really good, and the scene with gollum is probably the best in the movie.
Only semi complain: way too much cgi but I guess they can get away with it since they approached the movie (just like the book) as a children's movie that can be hugely enjoyeable for adults too. It's humor is more aimed at children and in contrary to LoTR where PJ tried to make everything as real as possible, this has a way more fantasy and colorful look to it.
If you know what you are getting into (a fun, colorful, children's movie, without a complex story) you will probably enjoy this a lot. My GF enjoyed every second of it and she thinks the LoTR movies are too boring.
I loved it and i thought it was going to be boring and too long since the stories doesn't lend itself for 3 movies (i could have understood 2) BUT Peter Jackson did a great job. I don't think there is a lot of guillermo del toro in there anymore. It's a love letter for those who love the movie character of the lord of the rings.
The actor who plays bilbo is really good, and the scene with gollum is probably the best in the movie.
Only semi complain: way too much cgi but I guess they can get away with it since they approached the movie (just like the book) as a children's movie that can be hugely enjoyeable for adults too. It's humor is more aimed at children and in contrary to LoTR where PJ tried to make everything as real as possible, this has a way more fantasy and colorful look to it.
If you know what you are getting into (a fun, colorful, children's movie, without a complex story) you will probably enjoy this a lot. My GF enjoyed every second of it and she thinks the LoTR movies are too boring.

AndrewC
Code Ninja
Registered: Sep 2008
From Romania
Posted December 15, 2012
Going to ROT13 this because it's spoilery, but I have to agree, that scene was absolutely beautiful.
I was really worried about that part, because I didn't see how they could make it make any sense at all within the context of the movie. When they made it clear that Ovyob jnf gelvat gb pnyz qbja/znavchyngr n pyrneyl vafnar Tbyyhz it all worked. Whereas in the book, they settle down to have a riddle contest like that's just what two normal people do.
I was really worried about that part, because I didn't see how they could make it make any sense at all within the context of the movie. When they made it clear that Ovyob jnf gelvat gb pnyz qbja/znavchyngr n pyrneyl vafnar Tbyyhz it all worked. Whereas in the book, they settle down to have a riddle contest like that's just what two normal people do.

Wishbone
Red herring
Registered: Oct 2008
From Denmark

ellynandroid
electric sheep
Registered: Nov 2012
From Australia
Posted December 15, 2012
This comes out in Australia on the 26th, I think, but I am looking forward to it so much.
I'm glad that it doesn't sound like they dramatised it to a stupid extent. The Hobbit is a pretty gently-paced book, and I would want the movie to have turned into a total seat-of-your-pants affair. Also, Martin Freeman is basically the perfect hobbit.
I'm glad that it doesn't sound like they dramatised it to a stupid extent. The Hobbit is a pretty gently-paced book, and I would want the movie to have turned into a total seat-of-your-pants affair. Also, Martin Freeman is basically the perfect hobbit.

SheBear
New Viewser
Registered: May 2009
From United States

SimonG
SimonG597
Registered: Sep 2010
From Germany
Posted December 15, 2012
Just watched it. Very decent flick. I think it captures the Tolkien vibe even better than the LOTR movies. But I had the feeling you needed a lot of lore knowledge to follow all the hints.
Personally, my biggest gripe is that it had too much action and not enough talking. Also, here the dwarfes were at least somewhat distinct, unlike the book.
Personally, my biggest gripe is that it had too much action and not enough talking. Also, here the dwarfes were at least somewhat distinct, unlike the book.

mondo84
hwgr
Registered: Apr 2011
From United States
Posted December 15, 2012
I want to see it but may wait a short while before I do. Plus, I'm not sure whether to first see it in standard projection then in 48 fps, or see it in 48 fps first.

djranis
Booze
Registered: Sep 2011
From Canada
Posted December 15, 2012
why the hell are they making it a trilogy, the book is half the size of any lotr books
if he really wanted to include more lore he could have tried fighting for the rights to the similarion or even children of hurin (that was a dark book)
if he really wanted to include more lore he could have tried fighting for the rights to the similarion or even children of hurin (that was a dark book)

Soonjai
The Guy
Registered: Aug 2010
From Germany
Posted December 15, 2012
I watched the Movie in plain, old 2D, because I hate this 3D crap, It doesn´t work for me, the movies look way too dark with those stupid glasses and I don´t like having those glasses on my nose at all. And I know a lot of people who think the same, and for most of them the 3D works just fine. Also I don´t like to pay more.
For the movie itself: I liked it, but I never read the book. I would say that it is somewhat similar to the first LOTR movie in its pacing, talking and walking in the first half and more action in the second. The talking is nice and I was not bored by it. However, I don´t like everything about how the movie looks. A lot of the CGI stuff looks out of place and sometimes cheap,
SPOILER
especially when they crash down with that wooden plattform near the end or the very last scene where the camera goes through the dwarf city and the dragon wakes up. Those two scenes looked very cheap. Other stuff like the fightinh Stone Giants looked way better than those scenes.
SPOILER END
In general, the CGI in the LOTR movies wasn´t that obvious like it is in the Hobbit. For me that alone destroyed the feeling sometimes.
For the movie itself: I liked it, but I never read the book. I would say that it is somewhat similar to the first LOTR movie in its pacing, talking and walking in the first half and more action in the second. The talking is nice and I was not bored by it. However, I don´t like everything about how the movie looks. A lot of the CGI stuff looks out of place and sometimes cheap,
SPOILER
especially when they crash down with that wooden plattform near the end or the very last scene where the camera goes through the dwarf city and the dragon wakes up. Those two scenes looked very cheap. Other stuff like the fightinh Stone Giants looked way better than those scenes.
SPOILER END
In general, the CGI in the LOTR movies wasn´t that obvious like it is in the Hobbit. For me that alone destroyed the feeling sometimes.

xxxIndyxxx
Jedi-Jones
Registered: Jul 2009
From Netherlands
Posted December 15, 2012

The Hobbit was completely horrible, and I will not be watching the two following movies.
I will not go over every point (too tired) but more an overall reaction, with SPOILERS.
The movie does not state that the fall of erebor is 60 years prior to the hobbit, The flashback is not dated. (But you stated that already) So the timeline is accurate here.
Azog is a great way to put to more drive to the movie and it will make events in the sequels more meaningfull. It's not accurate to the books but it helps (IMO) the movie in terms of pacing and combining events of the books so that they won't need extra scenes with characters that will only appear in that scene. I mostly like these things in movies if done right and again IMO it was done right.
As far as i understood the books Gandalf only suspected at that point that it was Sauron in Dol Guldur, but i could be wrong about that. I must say i always thought about it like this (thus even before wachting the movie).
Scenes with the counsil: As i see it Galadriel isn't teleporting, she isn't even there (you know what i mean right?). Gandalfs weaker position is in line with the lotr movies and Peter Jackson did everything he could to make the hobbit a fit in the lotr movies.
I agree that sometimes the tone changes but most of the movie it is set up as a children's movie: the color, the humor, the non-realistic cgi, radagast,... In some scene that is forgotten but if they would have done those scene differently they probably wouldn't work. The ending scene with thorins fake death is actually a mirror of the death scene of boromir. On a subconscious level if you know the fellowship movie and not the books you will believe he is dying.
I actually thought die hard fans of the books would have like the hobbit more then the lotr movies because as far as i am concerned the hobbit is a more accurate representation of the book.

ktchong
New User
Registered: Sep 2011
From United States
Posted December 15, 2012
Too long. Too slow. Took quite a bit of materials from the Lord of the Rings (i.e., the appendices) and put it into the Hobbit movie; those materials actually belong in the Lord of the Rings, NOT the Hobbit.
Also, the Hobbit movie makes the assumption that the audiences are familiar with the Lord of the Rings movie. For example: when Bilbo puts on the ring for the first time, the movie does NOT show Bilbo become invisible. It just shows his POV in the wraith world. The movie never actually shows that he becomes invisible. So people who have not seen the Lord of the Rings movie may not realize the ring makes its wearer invisible.
The movie is surprisingly faithful to the book, (as far as an adaptation goes.). More so than the Lord of the Rings movies. Which turns out NOT to be a good thing when adapting a book into a movie. (I read the Hobbit back in grade school.)
Also, the Hobbit movie makes the assumption that the audiences are familiar with the Lord of the Rings movie. For example: when Bilbo puts on the ring for the first time, the movie does NOT show Bilbo become invisible. It just shows his POV in the wraith world. The movie never actually shows that he becomes invisible. So people who have not seen the Lord of the Rings movie may not realize the ring makes its wearer invisible.
The movie is surprisingly faithful to the book, (as far as an adaptation goes.). More so than the Lord of the Rings movies. Which turns out NOT to be a good thing when adapting a book into a movie. (I read the Hobbit back in grade school.)
Post edited December 15, 2012 by ktchong

Elmofongo
It's 2L84U
Registered: Sep 2011
From Puerto Rico
Posted December 15, 2012
I loved it best blockbuster movie I have seen this year. it even beats Avengers imo.
The whole was like a interesting mix between child-like fairy tale and mature themes mixed well together, It reminded me of the first 2 Harry Potter movies which I loved the most.
AND THE 48 FRAMES PER SECOND AND 3D DID NOT BOTHER ME ONE BIT, COME AT ME YOU VISUAL ELITISTS ;)
The whole was like a interesting mix between child-like fairy tale and mature themes mixed well together, It reminded me of the first 2 Harry Potter movies which I loved the most.
AND THE 48 FRAMES PER SECOND AND 3D DID NOT BOTHER ME ONE BIT, COME AT ME YOU VISUAL ELITISTS ;)

stonebro
Love Lumberjacks
Registered: Sep 2008
From Netherlands
Posted December 15, 2012
What, this is going to be a trilogy. Not sure on that to be honest. The whole book of The Hobbit is ... about a third to a half of that of a single book from the LOTR trilogy, and on top of that it's meant to be more of a children's story. It lacks the big world view and the complexity of the LOTR story.
I loved the movie, with the possible exception of the stone giants part, but I'm concerned that dividing this story in three rather than two will really feel too drawn out. Like, uh, butter spread over too much bread.
I loved the movie, with the possible exception of the stone giants part, but I'm concerned that dividing this story in three rather than two will really feel too drawn out. Like, uh, butter spread over too much bread.