Posted January 09, 2010
Delixe
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JacobNZ
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Posted January 09, 2010
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JacobNZ: Actually for the type of games sold on GOG $10 is alot.
Considering i got the sigma team games for $1 each.
CS:source for $5
Tourchlight for $5
Every Unreal game for $13
every ID game for $23
etc I could go on.
Also at $10 DD I can get most of them for new at retail for less.
As these games have already been released years prior, many sold prior at full price, meeting and exceeding initial R&D expenditure. Also as its digital in nature and the sale of information the contents do not erode with continuous sale reducing the cost of sale. This essentially means any game sold on GOG is pure profit for the developer, thus in my mind cannot justify their pricing.
Yes I know it is not alot of money, but it is in comparasion to the other games you can get for the same amount.
Considering i got the sigma team games for $1 each.
CS:source for $5
Tourchlight for $5
Every Unreal game for $13
every ID game for $23
etc I could go on.
Also at $10 DD I can get most of them for new at retail for less.
As these games have already been released years prior, many sold prior at full price, meeting and exceeding initial R&D expenditure. Also as its digital in nature and the sale of information the contents do not erode with continuous sale reducing the cost of sale. This essentially means any game sold on GOG is pure profit for the developer, thus in my mind cannot justify their pricing.
Yes I know it is not alot of money, but it is in comparasion to the other games you can get for the same amount.
Exactly. The sheep will try to disprove you, buty that's impossible since what you are saying is fact.
Namur
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Posted January 09, 2010
When people complain in one thread about the $9.99 price and in another they acuse the service of being slack based on the fact that there's no sale on the week immediately after the holydays sale, it's pretty easy to figure out what they're after: dirt cheap games at all times, period.
And please don't even bother with the constructive criticism rap. People interested in constructive criticism don't start of with half assed acusations of slackness, or with unfair comparisons between sale prices and regular prices, nor do they completely discard all the aspects of one particular service that are unique when compared with all the other services available.
Just a reminder:
EXTRAS
DRM FREE
REGIONAL LOCKS FREE
REGIONAL PRICES FREE
People who don't think that the above more than justifies a handfull of slightly 'overpriced' titles on catalogue, and we're talking about a couple of bucks here, have no business complaining about other services screwing us gamers all the time in regards to the aspects above.
Prices are fine as they are. Anyone who feels differently about a particular game, wait for a sale.
Considering all the aspects the service has to offer, it's beyond me how anyone can even complain about a $9.99 price tag.
And please don't even bother with the constructive criticism rap. People interested in constructive criticism don't start of with half assed acusations of slackness, or with unfair comparisons between sale prices and regular prices, nor do they completely discard all the aspects of one particular service that are unique when compared with all the other services available.
Just a reminder:
EXTRAS
DRM FREE
REGIONAL LOCKS FREE
REGIONAL PRICES FREE
People who don't think that the above more than justifies a handfull of slightly 'overpriced' titles on catalogue, and we're talking about a couple of bucks here, have no business complaining about other services screwing us gamers all the time in regards to the aspects above.
Prices are fine as they are. Anyone who feels differently about a particular game, wait for a sale.
Considering all the aspects the service has to offer, it's beyond me how anyone can even complain about a $9.99 price tag.
SimplySally
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Posted January 09, 2010
Part of me can possibly see the benefit of a 3.99 and 7.99 price point for certain games... However GoG starting with and maintaining only two price points gives them a stronger position when negotiating with publishers for rights to games.
Given that they insist that a publisher putting their game on here puts no restrictions on sale in terms of location (think of Steam and others only selling X to certain regions or altering price based on region) and with no DRM - not even a one time activation - it is important for them to set certain fixed prices so that the publishers don't give them the run around....
Despite the amazing stuff in the EA, Activision and Lucasarts back catalogue and the desire to see that old stuff in digital download no DRM form (Dark Reign, Magic Carpet, Syndicate, Sam and Max, Monkey Island, Warcraft to name but a few) I would rather GoG stick to their guns in no restrictions, no DRM and 2 simple prices then bend any of those against our favour to get those hold outs. After all once they have bent the rules once for the big guys likely the smaller publishers will think they can get the rules bent too... until we end up with everything at least having install authentication if not full Steam style stuff..
Given that they insist that a publisher putting their game on here puts no restrictions on sale in terms of location (think of Steam and others only selling X to certain regions or altering price based on region) and with no DRM - not even a one time activation - it is important for them to set certain fixed prices so that the publishers don't give them the run around....
Despite the amazing stuff in the EA, Activision and Lucasarts back catalogue and the desire to see that old stuff in digital download no DRM form (Dark Reign, Magic Carpet, Syndicate, Sam and Max, Monkey Island, Warcraft to name but a few) I would rather GoG stick to their guns in no restrictions, no DRM and 2 simple prices then bend any of those against our favour to get those hold outs. After all once they have bent the rules once for the big guys likely the smaller publishers will think they can get the rules bent too... until we end up with everything at least having install authentication if not full Steam style stuff..
JacobNZ
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Posted January 09, 2010
jimbob0i0: Part of me can possibly see the benefit of a 3.99 and 7.99 price point for certain games... However GoG starting with and maintaining only two price points gives them a stronger position when negotiating with publishers for rights to games.
Given that they insist that a publisher putting their game on here puts no restrictions on sale in terms of location (think of Steam and others only selling X to certain regions or altering price based on region) and with no DRM - not even a one time activation - it is important for them to set certain fixed prices so that the publishers don't give them the run around....
Despite the amazing stuff in the EA, Activision and Lucasarts back catalogue and the desire to see that old stuff in digital download no DRM form (Dark Reign, Magic Carpet, Syndicate, Sam and Max, Monkey Island, Warcraft to name but a few) I would rather GoG stick to their guns in no restrictions, no DRM and 2 simple prices then bend any of those against our favour to get those hold outs. After all once they have bent the rules once for the big guys likely the smaller publishers will think they can get the rules bent too... until we end up with everything at least having install authentication if not full Steam style stuff..
Given that they insist that a publisher putting their game on here puts no restrictions on sale in terms of location (think of Steam and others only selling X to certain regions or altering price based on region) and with no DRM - not even a one time activation - it is important for them to set certain fixed prices so that the publishers don't give them the run around....
Despite the amazing stuff in the EA, Activision and Lucasarts back catalogue and the desire to see that old stuff in digital download no DRM form (Dark Reign, Magic Carpet, Syndicate, Sam and Max, Monkey Island, Warcraft to name but a few) I would rather GoG stick to their guns in no restrictions, no DRM and 2 simple prices then bend any of those against our favour to get those hold outs. After all once they have bent the rules once for the big guys likely the smaller publishers will think they can get the rules bent too... until we end up with everything at least having install authentication if not full Steam style stuff..
I really like the steam system though even if you guys do classify it as drm.
Post edited January 09, 2010 by JacobNZ
SimplySally
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Posted January 09, 2010
jimbob0i0: Part of me can possibly see the benefit of a 3.99 and 7.99 price point for certain games... However GoG starting with and maintaining only two price points gives them a stronger position when negotiating with publishers for rights to games.
Given that they insist that a publisher putting their game on here puts no restrictions on sale in terms of location (think of Steam and others only selling X to certain regions or altering price based on region) and with no DRM - not even a one time activation - it is important for them to set certain fixed prices so that the publishers don't give them the run around....
Despite the amazing stuff in the EA, Activision and Lucasarts back catalogue and the desire to see that old stuff in digital download no DRM form (Dark Reign, Magic Carpet, Syndicate, Sam and Max, Monkey Island, Warcraft to name but a few) I would rather GoG stick to their guns in no restrictions, no DRM and 2 simple prices then bend any of those against our favour to get those hold outs. After all once they have bent the rules once for the big guys likely the smaller publishers will think they can get the rules bent too... until we end up with everything at least having install authentication if not full Steam style stuff..
JacobNZ: I really really like the steam system though even if you guys do classify it as drm. Given that they insist that a publisher putting their game on here puts no restrictions on sale in terms of location (think of Steam and others only selling X to certain regions or altering price based on region) and with no DRM - not even a one time activation - it is important for them to set certain fixed prices so that the publishers don't give them the run around....
Despite the amazing stuff in the EA, Activision and Lucasarts back catalogue and the desire to see that old stuff in digital download no DRM form (Dark Reign, Magic Carpet, Syndicate, Sam and Max, Monkey Island, Warcraft to name but a few) I would rather GoG stick to their guns in no restrictions, no DRM and 2 simple prices then bend any of those against our favour to get those hold outs. After all once they have bent the rules once for the big guys likely the smaller publishers will think they can get the rules bent too... until we end up with everything at least having install authentication if not full Steam style stuff..
Well it is DRM at the end of the day...
I have an extensive catalogue on Steam covering a wide range of genres - all sorts from the entire Half Life collection through all the Civ3/4 games, the Total War games, Vampire the Masquerade, Bloodrayne 1&2, Darwinia, Defcon, Maxpayne 1&2, all the Hitman games, the list goes on..... So as you can see I have supported Valve quite a long time and have a large financial investment in my Steam account....
Now if anything ever happens to Valve, they randomly change their EULA and lock me out, my account gets compromised, VAC screws up and thinks I'm doing something bad and blocks my account I lose access to all of that.
I am fully reliant on Valve still being here X years down the road (which I believe likely but still... it used to be everyone used Altavista to search...). Not to mention I need the steam client to connect to install any of these items - even if most stuff single player can be run in offline mode if you tell Steam to start up that way next time....
This does mean that I can't pop it on a PC not connected to the net at that time for instance or where connection restrictions are in place - ie can't pop it on work PC to show colleagues some cool old game.
Add to that Valve do not support the games in Steam only the content delivery platform. There are many games on there which won't play properly still and Valve's position is that it is up to the publishers to provide support and if the original development house no longer exists me you bought it you live with it... just check out the Steam forums if you are feeling especially masochistic...
GoG support the games they sell. If they are selling it you know they have playtested it and if they say it will work on Vista or Windows 7 it will however old it is. I opened a ticket for Sanitarium shortly before the new year and they had a new installer up as a result with a fixed game executable for the problem - that's service!
Despite my large Steam catalogue I would in a heartbeat repurchase games here on GoG if they become available for that benefit of a simple installer to work on any machine with no DRM at all.....
Plus more than once Steam has stiffed me as I'm European and not North American....
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JacobNZ
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Posted January 09, 2010
jimbob0i0: Well it is DRM at the end of the day...
I have an extensive catalogue on Steam covering a wide range of genres - all sorts from the entire Half Life collection through all the Civ3/4 games, the Total War games, Vampire the Masquerade, Bloodrayne 1&2, Darwinia, Defcon, Maxpayne 1&2, all the Hitman games, the list goes on..... So as you can see I have supported Valve quite a long time and have a large financial investment in my Steam account....
Now if anything ever happens to Valve, they randomly change their EULA and lock me out, my account gets compromised, VAC screws up and thinks I'm doing something bad and blocks my account I lose access to all of that.
I am fully reliant on Valve still being here X years down the road (which I believe likely but still... it used to be everyone used Altavista to search...). Not to mention I need the steam client to connect to install any of these items - even if most stuff single player can be run in offline mode if you tell Steam to start up that way next time....
This does mean that I can't pop it on a PC not connected to the net at that time for instance or where connection restrictions are in place - ie can't pop it on work PC to show colleagues some cool old game.
Add to that Valve do not support the games in Steam only the content delivery platform. There are many games on there which won't play properly still and Valve's position is that it is up to the publishers to provide support and if the original development house no longer exists me you bought it you live with it... just check out the Steam forums if you are feeling especially masochistic...
GoG support the games they sell. If they are selling it you know they have playtested it and if they say it will work on Vista or Windows 7 it will however old it is. I opened a ticket for Sanitarium shortly before the new year and they had a new installer up as a result with a fixed game executable for the problem - that's service!
Despite my large Steam catalogue I would in a heartbeat repurchase games here on GoG if they become available for that benefit of a simple installer to work on any machine with no DRM at all.....
Plus more than once Steam has stiffed me as I'm European and not North American....
I have an extensive catalogue on Steam covering a wide range of genres - all sorts from the entire Half Life collection through all the Civ3/4 games, the Total War games, Vampire the Masquerade, Bloodrayne 1&2, Darwinia, Defcon, Maxpayne 1&2, all the Hitman games, the list goes on..... So as you can see I have supported Valve quite a long time and have a large financial investment in my Steam account....
Now if anything ever happens to Valve, they randomly change their EULA and lock me out, my account gets compromised, VAC screws up and thinks I'm doing something bad and blocks my account I lose access to all of that.
I am fully reliant on Valve still being here X years down the road (which I believe likely but still... it used to be everyone used Altavista to search...). Not to mention I need the steam client to connect to install any of these items - even if most stuff single player can be run in offline mode if you tell Steam to start up that way next time....
This does mean that I can't pop it on a PC not connected to the net at that time for instance or where connection restrictions are in place - ie can't pop it on work PC to show colleagues some cool old game.
Add to that Valve do not support the games in Steam only the content delivery platform. There are many games on there which won't play properly still and Valve's position is that it is up to the publishers to provide support and if the original development house no longer exists me you bought it you live with it... just check out the Steam forums if you are feeling especially masochistic...
GoG support the games they sell. If they are selling it you know they have playtested it and if they say it will work on Vista or Windows 7 it will however old it is. I opened a ticket for Sanitarium shortly before the new year and they had a new installer up as a result with a fixed game executable for the problem - that's service!
Despite my large Steam catalogue I would in a heartbeat repurchase games here on GoG if they become available for that benefit of a simple installer to work on any machine with no DRM at all.....
Plus more than once Steam has stiffed me as I'm European and not North American....
To be honest though most purchases do not last for ever. TVs 10 years down the track have no residual value, thus I have no qulams that in 10 years time valve may not exist. And knowing valve I am sure they with be operating in the forseeable future.
GOG could suffer the same fate, although the games could be backed up, if someone didn't and steam closed the games would not be accessiable.
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Posted January 09, 2010
GoG's sales will always be 'stale' in comparison by their very nature. How deep can you discount something that only costs $6 U.S. to begin with? GoG also isn't really ever going to get 'new' titles -- obviously they'll add to their collection but for the most part this website attracts people who have probably already played a lot of the games they'll potentially add. I personally only own three titles on GoG mostly because the rest of the games I either find unappealing or I've already played them and have no real interest in doing so again.
Steam and other digital distributors offer (relatively) new titles and sometimes for roughly the same price. And I'm not talking about hurr durr titles like MW2 but if I can pay $2.50 for Defense Grid or $5 for Torchlight I'm going to pick those up versus $4-$6 for Battle Chess or Might and Magic 3.
As far as the DRM debate... people are born with DRM... eventually your right of use over yourself will expire, too! Best get used to the idea that nothing is forever.
Steam and other digital distributors offer (relatively) new titles and sometimes for roughly the same price. And I'm not talking about hurr durr titles like MW2 but if I can pay $2.50 for Defense Grid or $5 for Torchlight I'm going to pick those up versus $4-$6 for Battle Chess or Might and Magic 3.
As far as the DRM debate... people are born with DRM... eventually your right of use over yourself will expire, too! Best get used to the idea that nothing is forever.
Post edited January 09, 2010 by Metro09
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Posted January 09, 2010
JacobNZ: To be honest though most purchases do not last for ever. TVs 10 years down the track have no residual value, thus I have no qulams that in 10 years time valve may not exist. And knowing valve I am sure they with be operating in the forseeable future.
GOG could suffer the same fate, although the games could be backed up, if someone didn't and steam closed the games would not be accessiable.
GOG could suffer the same fate, although the games could be backed up, if someone didn't and steam closed the games would not be accessiable.
10 years isn't that long... It was 10 years ago I was finishing my education and that seems a blink of an eye now...
And we aren't talking hardware here that can wear or undergo format obsolescence (see analog small fullscreen TVs less than 10 years ago to 3d HDTVs coming this year)....
And yes I have my GoG installers backed up to DVD - if GoG does vanish (and we hope not anytime soon) all these old games I will still be able to install and play. If you add to that that GoG have playtested them on Vista and gradually getting them tested on Windows 7 there will be a long time they we be on playable systems....
The biggest problem I have with Steam however is not the lack of support on games sold on it (Valve washing their hands) but that the DRM they implement is not only a phone home have you bought this DRM (which is bad enough) but also are you in the right region to have it....
Take Postal2 for instance on this site. If Valve had this and were told they could not sell it in such a country (think Oz, Germany, etc where it is banned) then the EULA and past experience shows reasonable liklihood that they would terminate access to that game on the basis they cannot sell it in that territory.... The same item purchased from GoG could never have that issue....
As for whether things have value a long time after purchase the very fact we are discussing this on the forum of a site dedicated to OLD games and the success of retro gaming in general with projects such as DOSBOX and ScummVM is pretty much testament this category of 'goods' stands the test of time....
Metro09: As far as the DRM debate... people are born with DRM... eventually your right of use over yourself will expire, too! Best get used to the idea that nothing is forever.
Eh? At least my GoG games can go to my family....
Post edited January 09, 2010 by jimbob0i0
Vestin
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Posted January 09, 2010
JacobNZ: To be honest I am not that fussed with DRM, as long as it not crippling like you have to be connected to the internet to play single player.
There isn't much we can do to persuade you, can we ? If you don't mind all the things a lot of people here do about Steam and if you don't see the advantages of GOG as such, there's hardly a way you can find GOG more appealing.
Let me make this clear one more time:
Buying things on GOG is (usually) not about the price.
Sure - they do have a lot of promos and I've gotten at least 3 games through various GOG-related contests so far, but that's mostly a nice bonus.
GOG is about:
Having no app to run games
A nice community
Nostalgia factor
Creative contests
Informal customer-GOG relations
Responsive support
XP/Vista compatible oldies out of the "box"
Occasional editorial / interview with the original developer
If you don't think the above things are worth the few extra bucks you get to pay for some title, then you can wait until GOG grows larger and gets a bigger market share. Until then you can either enjoy all the stuff the team and the community have to offer (mostly - the kind of things that have a cost in patience, kindness and charity rather than those requiring cold, hard cash and a position on the market) or be annoyed because of things that are simply beyond what GOG can offer at this point.
Post edited January 09, 2010 by Vestin
Delixe
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Posted January 09, 2010
Tell you one thing. I bet if I asked a question of the GOG staff on the 22nd of December I wouldn't be waiting for a reply till the 6th of January.