Posted September 02, 2013

cannard
canard misspelt
Registered: Aug 2009
From United States

Barefoot_Monkey
invertEd
Registered: Sep 2008
From South Africa
Posted September 02, 2013
Only 0% of TheJoe self-identified as Marcins.

CthulhuInSpace
Just because we disagree doesnt mean I hate you.
Registered: Oct 2008
From United States
Posted September 02, 2013

Booyah!: :)
For real, I think there are many reasons conservatives are not scientists, and I think most of the reasons are far less dubious than one may suppose. Though I could be wrong.
And if we turn this into a Big-Bang/Evolution/Young Earth debate, I still fully believe that a person's view on those subjects plays a very, very, very small role in their scientific work. I've met many scientists who were Christians who did great work. The scientific method can be applied by anyone with just a little training.
It would be unwise to be conservatiphobic, Chrisitiaphobic or republiphobic. Whenever we exact our most certain prejudices, we tend to shut out those whom could be our closest friends and allies if we just took the time to get to know them.
These shades of black and white and trying to ostracize a specific group or belief system got old back in 2008. I would think GOG is better than that, as a community.
Post edited September 02, 2013 by CymTyr

Mnemon
Left
Registered: Sep 2008
From United Kingdom
Posted September 02, 2013
Well it's easy enough to spot those topics and read past them. Much as I do ignore Steam / DRM or similar rants. There aren't even that many politics topics on here, even in comparison. Responding to them even-though you are disinterested only pushes them back up top.

hedwards
buy Evil Genius
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted September 02, 2013

Also, conservatives in the US tend to be rather supportive of somethings that get thoroughly debunked during a typical science education. Evolution, climate change and such have no real opposition in the scientific world at this point, sure there are a few that argue anyways, but mostly they're doing it for pay. As in they're being paid to do the research even though they know it's not going to go anywhere. But, there are a lot of stupidly rich conservatives willing to front the money and keep the "controversy" going.

Just because you choose to disbelieve the scientific consensus, does not make the scientific consensus wrong. It means that you need to educate yourself. The climate models are getting better all the time, and the disagreement is no longer about whether or not it's real, but how bad it's going to get and exactly how much stuff we can permit into the atmosphere before we can't undo it.
Scientists love to disagree with each other and to disprove other people's work, so the fact that scientific consensus is on the side of climate change being real is something to take seriously.
BTW, the reason why it's called climate change now rather than global warming is because the models improved and we now know that it's not just warming, it's shifting rain patterns and in some areas that might mean cooler temperatures. And because of shifting rain patterns, what was dry may become wet and what was wet my have unending drought. But, on the whole, the temperature of the planet is warming.

Nirth
GFN / VR / Switch!
Registered: Oct 2010
From Other
Posted September 02, 2013

Try this. You'll have to use keywords and obviously a browser that supports user scripts like Firefox or Chrome. I use it for all kinds of words that I know will be a sign for a thread I've no interest in. :P

Mensogo
New User
Registered: Apr 2011
From United States
Posted September 02, 2013


Just because you choose to disbelieve the scientific consensus, does not make the scientific consensus wrong. It means that you need to educate yourself. The climate models are getting better all the time, and the disagreement is no longer about whether or not it's real, but how bad it's going to get and exactly how much stuff we can permit into the atmosphere before we can't undo it.
Scientists love to disagree with each other and to disprove other people's work, so the fact that scientific consensus is on the side of climate change being real is something to take seriously.
BTW, the reason why it's called climate change now rather than global warming is because the models improved and we now know that it's not just warming, it's shifting rain patterns and in some areas that might mean cooler temperatures. And because of shifting rain patterns, what was dry may become wet and what was wet my have unending drought. But, on the whole, the temperature of the planet is warming.

hedwards
buy Evil Genius
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted September 02, 2013

Calling it current majority consensus is just plain silly. The portion of the scientific community that supports it is greater than ever in the past, and it's been growing to include the entire community. At the rate it's going, being a "skeptic" is going to be a bit like being a young world creationist. Sure there are others out there, but none that have any credibility.

yyahoo
Laff-a-lympian
Registered: May 2011
From United States
Posted September 02, 2013
All I know is the current president, who campaigned on the concept that we should keep our noses out of other countries' business and get out of Iraq and Afghanistan ASAP, is now lobbying to do the same old crap all over again.
All politicians and politics suck.
All politicians and politics suck.

Mensogo
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Registered: Apr 2011
From United States
Posted September 02, 2013


Calling it current majority consensus is just plain silly. The portion of the scientific community that supports it is greater than ever in the past, and it's been growing to include the entire community. At the rate it's going, being a "skeptic" is going to be a bit like being a young world creationist. Sure there are others out there, but none that have any credibility.
Post edited September 02, 2013 by king_mosiah

Luisfius
Blaghagh
Registered: Dec 2009
From Mexico
Posted September 02, 2013

Calling it current majority consensus is just plain silly. The portion of the scientific community that supports it is greater than ever in the past, and it's been growing to include the entire community. At the rate it's going, being a "skeptic" is going to be a bit like being a young world creationist. Sure there are others out there, but none that have any credibility.

It is not political, it is not quasi/religious. It is math.
Hell it is not even quasi religious math, shit's not Pythagorean.
Post edited September 02, 2013 by Luisfius

Awesomov
New User
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted September 02, 2013
I don't care what their political leanings are as long as they're doing their jobs properly.
Which is, uh, certainly debatable.
Which is, uh, certainly debatable.

infinite9
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Registered: Jun 2010
From United States

Nirth
GFN / VR / Switch!
Registered: Oct 2010
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Posted September 02, 2013
Opinions like these is why being a politician must suck especially for those that are low-profile and don't get proportional rewards for their work.
But some subjects become political because of their nature or influence of those who fund scientific research. I can understand a scientist playing with his own politics because he needs funds to stay in the game and at the same time even with a consensus of data scientists might lean towards different approaches of how to deal with issues like if we should focus on the climate issues or the economy, both of which might be equally important but one favours the other because in their professional opinion one of them is slightly more important.
But some subjects become political because of their nature or influence of those who fund scientific research. I can understand a scientist playing with his own politics because he needs funds to stay in the game and at the same time even with a consensus of data scientists might lean towards different approaches of how to deal with issues like if we should focus on the climate issues or the economy, both of which might be equally important but one favours the other because in their professional opinion one of them is slightly more important.

Luisfius
Blaghagh
Registered: Dec 2009
From Mexico
Posted September 02, 2013


Are you SERIOUSLY defending Pinochet and his nightmarish regime, instated by the US against the goddamn Chilean sovereignty
Are you seriously doing this.
I will respond to the rest of your post but are you SERIOUSLY condoning Pinochet and his atrocities in the name of the Chilean economy.
That is a staggering lack of perspective there. Jesus christ.
Please give me some time to process this because really.