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Wolfire dev(s) on OnLive. Looks like IT'S ACTUALLY WORKING!
That said Wofire is based out of the San Francisco Bay Area.
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cw8: For a person who likes seeing his computer infront of him, restarts or troubleshoots the CPU when there's a problem, wants total control and hates DRM, Onlive is the ultimate nightmare and utter bullshit.

Same here, OnLive makes Ubi DRM look like the ultimate consumer friendly experience.
The saddest thing about that is that most peoples will be probably more than happy to surrender all their right/freedom/control over any immediate convenience they can get without thinking about the consequences... so I wouldn't be surprised the slightest if such a service, if it works, was popular.
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cw8: For a person who likes seeing his computer infront of him, restarts or troubleshoots the CPU when there's a problem, wants total control and hates DRM, Onlive is the ultimate nightmare and utter bullshit.
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Gersen: Same here, OnLive makes Ubi DRM look like the ultimate consumer friendly experience.
The saddest thing about that is that most peoples will be probably more than happy to surrender all their right/freedom/control over any immediate convenience they can get without thinking about the consequences... so I wouldn't be surprised the slightest if such a service, if it works, was popular.

Couldn't care less if it works without a single moment of lag. I already don't feel like I actually own the games I bought on Steam or an MMORPG. They just feel rented to me. Onlive is gonna be alot worse.
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michaelleung: Wolfire dev(s) on OnLive. Looks like IT'S ACTUALLY WORKING!
That said Wofire is based out of the San Francisco Bay Area.

That guy is clearly one hop away from the distribution layer of that network, he likely talks directly to his ISP's border router meaning he might as well be connected to a switch. If I'm not allowed to buy APB, there's no fucking way something like this can work here.
He seriously compared downloading and installing a demo to streaming it? Lets use that "anything can be an onerous chore if you bitch about nothing" tactic for buying a video:
I wanted to watch that recent shitty star trek movie so I had to get out of my chair, put on a clean shirt, clean underpants and clean trousers, put on socks and shoes, find my keys, sunglasses and wallet, walk to the front door, open the door, walk out the door, turn around, close the door, get my keys out of my pocket, lock the door, put my keys back in my pocket, turn around AGAIN, go out the gate, turn left, walk to the end of the block, turn right, walk to the lights at the main street, press the button, wait for the little man on the light to change from red to green, decide whether to cross the road straight or diagonally, cross diagonally after all, nearly trip over the gutter because I'm too busy ogling that cute chick with the short skirt, stockings and boots, tear my eyes away from the cute chick, turn right, walk half the block till I get to JB hifi, turn left and enter the shop, walk all the way to the back where they have the DVDs and start looking, is it an action, comedy or scifi movie, I go to scifi and look at A, its not there so I look at B then c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, p, q, r. s... wait there it is! Oh no, thats star trek the motion picture, no thats the wrath of kahn, thats search for spock, thats the voyage home, that cold chill down my spine and twinge of nausea must mean that was star trek v, thats the undiscovered country where they establish the klingons have purple blood that has since been utterly ignored, thats generations, thats first contact, thats insurrection, thats nemesis... aha! there it is! God that box art is awful but I guess it prepares you for the movie being similar, 20 bucks on sale eh? Yeah thats not too much of a ripoff, i go to the counter, I take out my wallet, I wait for the moronic staff to finish their inane conversation, I hand over the money, turn right and walk to the door, show the door dork my reciept to prove I bought the product he just saw me buy, exit the shop and begin the long journey home.
Compared to that I could just load up my 360 or PS3 and stream the movie (In a mere 6 hours at a cost of a paltry quarter of my monthly bandwidth). Does that make it the better option? Oh no, because THEY'RE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS!!
It's akin to watching something on pay-per-view, instead of buying a DVD. The DVD will often have all sorts of EULA and onerous DRM which tries to bully you into making it as similar to the pay-per-view experience as possible. When you watch something on PPV, you typically have no expectations that you own it, so it is not even an issue.
Oh golly gee, thanks for saving us from that troublesome burden of potentially owning things by ourtright telling us we can't! "Trying to get sex on the outside was so much work, thank GOD for prison rape! Well its not god really, its Charlie "Monstercock" Davis but he insists I call him god when we're doing the deed."
Post edited June 18, 2010 by Aliasalpha
I hate to say it, but this thing does actually work. There are definitely some graphical artifacts, similar to what you might see in a YouTube video and there are occasional input delays, but I was actually able to play the demo of Assassin's Creed 2 on my PC, which is not in the least bit capable of playing the game normally. Whatever magic they are using to run this service is powerful magic indeed.
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cogadh: I hate to say it, but this thing does actually work. There are definitely some graphical artifacts, similar to what you might see in a YouTube video and there are occasional input delays, but I was actually able to play the demo of Assassin's Creed 2 on my PC, which is not in the least bit capable of playing the game normally. Whatever magic they are using to run this service is powerful magic indeed.

So, you get to play games at YouTube graphic quality with only a little delay, whilst paying full price for the game and paying for the privilege of playing it on top of that, with the knowledge that if you ever stop paying, the initial cost of the game is lost? Well, I'm convinced. I see no downside to this model.
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cogadh: I hate to say it, but this thing does actually work. There are definitely some graphical artifacts, similar to what you might see in a YouTube video and there are occasional input delays, but I was actually able to play the demo of Assassin's Creed 2 on my PC, which is not in the least bit capable of playing the game normally. Whatever magic they are using to run this service is powerful magic indeed.
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Wishbone: So, you get to play games at YouTube graphic quality with only a little delay, whilst paying full price for the game and paying for the privilege of playing it on top of that, with the knowledge that if you ever stop paying, the initial cost of the game is lost? Well, I'm convinced. I see no downside to this model.

The entire thing isn't YouTube quality, in fact, just the opposite, the quality is normally very surprisingly good. However, there are still occasional moments of increased "pixelation" in the image, just as occasionally happens with streaming video. The same with the delay, it doesn't always happen and so far I've only had it happen with AC2 (Batman: Arkham Asylum and Dirt2 showed no signs of delay).
I'm not saying there is any upside to this model, just that all of us had written this off from the start as technically impossible... well, they proved us completely wrong in this respect. I don't know how they did it, it doesn't make any sense at all that they are able to do it, but the simple fact is, they did it. The ridiculous pricing scheme aside, the service is an amazing technical achievement.
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cogadh: I'm not saying there is any upside to this model, just that all of us had written this off from the start as technically impossible... well, they proved us completely wrong in this respect. I don't know how they did it, it doesn't make any sense at all that they are able to do it, but the simple fact is, they did it. The ridiculous pricing scheme aside, the service is an amazing technical achievement.

Do you have any idea how close you are to the servers? Does it tell you or anything?
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cogadh: I'm not saying there is any upside to this model, just that all of us had written this off from the start as technically impossible... well, they proved us completely wrong in this respect. I don't know how they did it, it doesn't make any sense at all that they are able to do it, but the simple fact is, they did it. The ridiculous pricing scheme aside, the service is an amazing technical achievement.
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Ralackk: Do you have any idea how close you are to the servers? Does it tell you or anything?

It doesn't tell you anything about server locations in the OnLive client (as far as I can tell), but if I remember correctly, OnLive originally stated their servers are located in the San Francisco Bay area, Dallas and the Washington DC area. I'm located just north of Detroit, so I'm covered by the DC area servers, roughly around 400 miles away from me.
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cogadh: It doesn't tell you anything about server locations in the OnLive client (as far as I can tell), but if I remember correctly, OnLive originally stated their servers are located in the San Francisco Bay area, Dallas and the Washington DC area. I'm located just north of Detroit, so I'm covered by the DC area servers, roughly around 400 miles away from me.

Thats fairly impressive if its as smooth as you say it is. Have you tried any twitchy games like a fps?
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cogadh: It doesn't tell you anything about server locations in the OnLive client (as far as I can tell), but if I remember correctly, OnLive originally stated their servers are located in the San Francisco Bay area, Dallas and the Washington DC area. I'm located just north of Detroit, so I'm covered by the DC area servers, roughly around 400 miles away from me.
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Ralackk: Thats fairly impressive if its as smooth as you say it is. Have you tried any twitchy games like a fps?

Haven't tried any FPS games yet, but I'll probably give Borderlands a shot tomorrow (pun very much intended). If the performance is at least as good as what I have seen so far with other games, it should be interesting.
I'm not sure how much of a difference the distance from the server makes as far as video quality goes but here are some quick comparison shots of Trine (for me at least):
OnLive 1. PC 1.
OnLive 2. PC 2.
OnLive 3. PC 3.
OnLive 4. PC 4.
OnLive 5. PC 5.
Post edited June 22, 2010 by ceemdee
Can you do a treaceroute to the server IP? How many hops are there?
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ceemdee: I'm not sure how much of a difference the distance from the server makes as far as video quality goes but here are some quick comparison shots of Trine (for me at least):
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Thats quite a bit of detail lost from onlive, first comparision isn't too bad only a bit blurry background but the rest the onlive quality is horrible.
Well, they clearly don't look as "crisp" as the shots of the locally installed copy of the game, but calling them "horrible" is taking things a bit far. Frankly, much of the detail loss does appear to be due to the brightness or gamma setting in OnLive, rather than an actual loss of detail. Turning that down a bit would produce a much closer comparison.