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Posted April 07, 2012
What are your thoughts on this matter, movement is almost 7 months old now and they still exisits. One thing they have been successful is raising discussion of how to make capitalism work better.
Posted April 07, 2012
I generally am left leaning and I support the reasons behind the movement,but to see them in action makes me want to turn a firehose on the protestors.
Posted April 07, 2012
For some reason I misread the thread title as "Occupy Wallet"...

This Occupy movement has me somewhat conflicted. The Randian in me decries these pathetic individuals who need to find a job in order to make something of themselves and work their way to being the 1%.

I am, however, nothing more than a working-class schlub that is basically in the same situation. Can't find a job, even if I do find one it will maybe allow me to make just enough to scratch by until the next paycheck.

Don't read "John Galt" at a young age, kids.
Posted April 07, 2012
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uulav: What are your thoughts on this matter, movement is almost 7 months old now and they still exisits. One thing they have been successful is raising discussion of how to make capitalism work better.
The movement is without direction. They say they have no leader, this is a problem. As it is, they are pulled this way and that, all the while being influenced by people outside the occupy movement. These people have different goals and promote ways of obtaining them that are contrary to many in the movement, causing internal bickering, which these outsiders use to further their goals. Until they accept a strong leader that can lead with predetermined goals and reduce the outsiders influence on the movement, they will remain an irritant and nothing more.
Posted April 07, 2012
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Zandolf: The movement is without direction. They say they have no leader, this is a problem. As it is, they are pulled this way and that, all the while being influenced by people outside the occupy movement. These people have different goals and promote ways of obtaining them that are contrary to many in the movement, causing internal bickering, which these outsiders use to further their goals. Until they accept a strong leader that can lead with predetermined goals and reduce the outsiders influence on the movement, they will remain an irritant and nothing more.
Best summation I've seen of it.

Maybe I'm too pessimistic for some, but calling for this drastic kind of change now is too little, too late for this county. The damage has been done and the empire will crumble and fall sometime within the next five years.
Posted April 07, 2012
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JudasIscariot: For some reason I misread the thread title as "Occupy Wallet"...

This Occupy movement has me somewhat conflicted. The Randian in me decries these pathetic individuals who need to find a job in order to make something of themselves and work their way to being the 1%.

I am, however, nothing more than a working-class schlub that is basically in the same situation. Can't find a job, even if I do find one it will maybe allow me to make just enough to scratch by until the next paycheck.

Don't read "John Galt" at a young age, kids.
It's not possible for everyone to work to be part of the 1%. It's just not economically possible. There has to be losers (or at least a middle class). The idea of the protests is to make sure those who don't make it still do well enough. Unfortunately the protests don't get that across in a coherent way.
Posted April 07, 2012
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Zandolf: ...
That sums it up nicely. They know what they hate, yet offer no alternatives. Organisation could change that.
Posted April 07, 2012
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uulav: What are your thoughts on this matter, movement is almost 7 months old now and they still exisits. One thing they have been successful is raising discussion of how to make capitalism work better.
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XmXFLUXmX: They hate Capitalism and want to destroy it. That's not making Capitalism better. They are nothing but a bunch of drug addict, lazy, Socialist, criminals. Period. They crap and piss in the streets, they have sex in the open, they break into stores, they are the lowest form of scum on the Earth.
Yeah man, just me, my ukulele, my heroin stash and extra large condoms and doing all that in public and full view of the police. Come on, really?
Posted April 07, 2012
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XmXFLUXmX: ...
What's wrong with being a socialist?
Posted April 07, 2012
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XmXFLUXmX: ...
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kavazovangel: What's wrong with being a socialist?
Amerika! WOOH! AMERIfUCKINGCA!
Posted April 07, 2012
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michaelleung: Yeah man, just me, my ukulele, my heroin stash and extra large condoms and doing all that in public and full view of the police. Come on, really?
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XmXFLUXmX: I've seen these people in person, and have read the news. Don't tell me i'm lying.
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kavazovangel: What's wrong with being a socialist?
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XmXFLUXmX: America is not a Socialist nation, and Socialism is an utter failure that only the lazy and weak adhere to. Notice how the U.S. was the wealthiest nation on the planet, until it started enacting Socialist programs en masse.
You mean the New Deal? The thing that helped the US climb out of depression and start to become one of the most powerful nations in the world? Hardly a failure and arguably not socialist.

Furthermore, yes, I will grant you the fact that there are drug users in the protests. In fact, there was a dead heroin user in Occupy Vancouver - eight blocks from the safe injection site. But to say this is representative of the entire movement (no matter how much I disagree with the protests) is like saying everyone in London was a bunch of rioting looting youths after the riots last year.
Post edited April 07, 2012 by michaelleung
Posted April 07, 2012
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michaelleung: snippity
I doubt that he knows what that is.
Posted April 07, 2012
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michaelleung: snippity
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Rohan15: I doubt that he knows what that is.
I think he does. Surely everyone knows about the New Deal (by name, at least). It's one of the cornerstones of American superiority of the 20th century.
Posted April 07, 2012
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Rohan15: I doubt that he knows what that is.
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michaelleung: I think he does. Surely everyone knows about the New Deal (by name, at least). It's one of the cornerstones of American superiority of the 20th century.
If he does than he is probably against it.
Posted April 07, 2012
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michaelleung: I think he does. Surely everyone knows about the New Deal (by name, at least). It's one of the cornerstones of American superiority of the 20th century.
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Rohan15: If he does than he is probably against it.
A lot of people in Congress are against it, to be fair.
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