Posted November 07, 2012
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orcishgamer
Mad and Green
Registered: Jun 2010
From United States
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SimonG
SimonG597
Registered: Sep 2010
From Germany
Posted November 07, 2012
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Part of my training was the knowledge if different democratic systems, history and development of classical and modern democracies and so forth. The US is the oldest and first modern democracy. Always important to look to.
We in Europe have pretty much the next evolution of that system, although for different reasons.
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orcishgamer
Mad and Green
Registered: Jun 2010
From United States
Posted November 07, 2012
Because it's a rather backwards way of voting and exacerbates most of the problems with simple majority voting instead of alleviates them. It also has the tendency to shut down third parties before they even start as everyone is too busy voting for the lesser evil, because otherwise that motherfucker they REALLY HATE might get in.
Essentially it largely leads to disenfranchisement on a national level, even though congress isn't chosen that way, people tend to vote for the same party all the way through and that means sticking to whatever parties are "allowed" for the POTUS.
Most of the democratic world has come up with clever ways to alleviate some of these problems, they all have some shortcomings, but are rather largely considered superior to the electoral college. These solutions aren't new, so we're consequently considered rather backward. Well, frankly, the US is extremely backward on a lot of things compared to the rest of the first world...
Essentially it largely leads to disenfranchisement on a national level, even though congress isn't chosen that way, people tend to vote for the same party all the way through and that means sticking to whatever parties are "allowed" for the POTUS.
Most of the democratic world has come up with clever ways to alleviate some of these problems, they all have some shortcomings, but are rather largely considered superior to the electoral college. These solutions aren't new, so we're consequently considered rather backward. Well, frankly, the US is extremely backward on a lot of things compared to the rest of the first world...
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SimonG
SimonG597
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From Germany
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Pompfinebara
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Registered: Aug 2011
From Austria
Posted November 07, 2012
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Also, since the other thread appears to be dead, I'm repeating my question here:
I just read about a popular vote in Puerto Rico about becoming the 51st state of the USA, which was decided heavily in favor of statehood, but everything I could find about what that means was very vague.
Is there an American who knows more about this?
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ashout
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Gunsang
Enter Title Here
Registered: Feb 2011
From China, People's Republic of
Posted November 07, 2012
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She was on the ballot here in Colorado as well.
Post edited November 07, 2012 by Gunsang
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WhiteElk
maker of tie-dye
Registered: Apr 2011
From United States
Posted November 07, 2012
Ahh you drank their cool-aid. Sorry man. There is hope though. One just need think for themselves and see the obvious demographics of Occupy. We are ALL represented in that movement. See for yourselves. Look upon the faces who march for us. See the young and old, the fat and the thin, the rich and the poor, the student and the professional, et all. i see em all out there. i see em on the livestreams, i see em in the photos, i follow journals and i've stood out in the cold and assemebled with em. i've meet in a private room of a brewery, and in a small town tavern. Talking community over drinks. devising peaceful revolution over the net. i don't see what you say you see. OWS=spoiled rich kids... ?? bull fucking shit dude!! Check it with your own brain and you will see. ooof... i think i did good not popping off on that despite my buzz and your bullshit :)
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stonebro
Love Lumberjacks
Registered: Sep 2008
From Netherlands
Posted November 07, 2012
I would like to thank America for not fucking this one up.
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SimonG
SimonG597
Registered: Sep 2010
From Germany
Posted November 07, 2012
Not to mention that there was an increase in voter turnout. Another good sign.
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orcishgamer
Mad and Green
Registered: Jun 2010
From United States
Posted November 07, 2012
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This is the reason this shit will never change here. Most people don't even go to the polls (I know I fucking didn't), why does it matter if some guy in Ohio votes for a dude he actually liked.
Those people who voted for Nader didn't like Gore, that's why he lost, quit blaming voters for voting for the person they actually like, it's what they're supposed to fucking do!
Post edited November 07, 2012 by orcishgamer
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WhiteElk
maker of tie-dye
Registered: Apr 2011
From United States
Posted November 07, 2012
hehe i have pride in country and shame. i'm glad that some of our earth neighbors understand the US is not a lost cause. Many other nations have matured far past the US. The US now follows some of the imperial bs that other great nations have grown past already. We could use your help in getting past the US stage of international dickheadedness. But then your stuffed by the same enemy we are. There is entity we share as enemy. Lets kill it and move on :)
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Wishbone
Red herring
Registered: Oct 2008
From Denmark
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SimonG
SimonG597
Registered: Sep 2010
From Germany
Posted November 07, 2012
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How did I do that? By years of education and training. Putting me in positions where I could actually change stuff. Not by posting it on twitter with my macbook.
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Once New User
Registered: Oct 2010
From United States