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Here's hoping Obama gets just as much accomplished in the next 4 years as he did in the last two!
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Krypsyn: Here's hoping Obama gets just as much accomplished in the next 4 years as he did in the last two!
Wait, what?
I voted Gary Johnson.

It felt good.
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Nirth: Who and why downrepped the OP?
I didn't, but I'm curious how can you tell? It doesn't say "low-rated".

Unless you are a wizard and know how many upvotes/downvotes are required for it to be high/low.
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Shinook: I voted Gary Johnson.

It felt good.
Here, another person making the sane choice.
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stoicsentry: Wait, what?
Exactly. Nothing. Gridlock FTW!
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Rohan15: I voted Gary Johnson
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stoicsentry: Congratulations for making a sane choice.
Thank you.
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Nirth: Who and why downrepped the OP?
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mondo84: I didn't, but I'm curious how can you tell? It doesn't say "low-rated".

Unless you are a wizard and know how many upvotes/downvotes are required for it to be high/low.
For a second it said low rated then I reloaded the page and it was gone so I guess a few people uprepped him.
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stoicsentry: Congratulations for making a sane choice.
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Rohan15: Thank you.
i really don't wanna get into a American political debate, but doesn't "Libertarianism" in the US actually mean that the states can tell you what to do, instead of the federal government?
And if I'm right, do people really think that's an improvement?
Post edited November 07, 2012 by Fesin
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stoicsentry: Wait, what?
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Krypsyn: Exactly. Nothing. Gridlock FTW!
Nothing? google President Obama's accomplishments, it's been a very long time since a President got that much accomplished in only one term.
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stoicsentry: Wait, what?
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Krypsyn: Exactly. Nothing. Gridlock FTW!
YES!
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Rohan15: Thank you.
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Fesin: i really don't wanna get into a American political debate, but doesn't "Libertarianism" in the US actually mean that the states can tell you what to do, instead of the federal government?
And if I'm right, do people really think that's an improvement?
They want less government interaction. I try to stay moderate so I voted libertarian for my first time and only time ever voting.
All the "Obama and Romney are the same" talks are BS.

Even if you think the economic outcomes of having a Democratic president or a Republican one are the same, (I do not think they are completely the same, but let's say they are,) the SOCIAL ISSUES presented by the two parties are definitively different.

Let's say it does not make any different to the economy whether Obama or Romney wins, it will make a different in the social issues of:

Abortion right: if you believe getting pregnant is a "gift from god", and women can only get pregnant from "legitimate rape" and their bodies would "shut down" and prevent pregnancy from "illegitmate rape", then go ahead and vote Republicans.

Gay marriage: Christians do NOT have a monopoly on marriage. The Judea-Christian faith did NOT invent marriage. Chinese and Indian civilizations had the marriage institution even before the Judea-Christan faith were created, so marriage has NOTHING to do with God.

Immigration: Deporting people who were brought into the country as children -- and therefore did NOT commit any crime as they were just children -- and grew up here is just cruel and inhumane.

The rise of Christian fundamentalism in America, which is associated with the Republican party. Democrats have mostly kept god OUT OF politics.

Wars in the Middle East: Republicans LOVE wars and LOVE killing the Muslims. Do you know what really got America into the economic hole? It's the fucking endless wars.

Income Inequality: Republicans follow the Cult of Ayn Rand and believe income inequality is a good thing, that wealthy people should lead and poor people should just shut up and roll over. Ron Paul is along this line of thinking; he differs from other Republicans because he does not like wars, but he is still a follower of the Ayn Rand cult.

So, even if you think the economic outcomes of Obama or Romney winning are the same, the social outcomes are definitely NOT the same.
Post edited November 07, 2012 by ktchong
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Rohan15: Thank you.
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Fesin: i really don't wanna get into a American political debate, but doesn't "Libertarianism" in the US actually mean that the states can tell you what to do, instead of the federal government?
And if I'm right, do people really think that's an improvement?
That's rather optimistic. It's more like nobody can tell you what to do and hopefully everybody chooses to be civil. It's the result of reading Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged and being too stupid to understand why we went away from that in the first place.

Libertarianism in the US, is often a cover for anarchism and fascism. I'm sure there are some genuine libertarians out there, but they generally don't get much notice.
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Fesin: i really don't wanna get into a American political debate, but doesn't "Libertarianism" in the US actually mean that the states can tell you what to do, instead of the federal government?
And if I'm right, do people really think that's an improvement?
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hedwards: That's rather optimistic. It's more like nobody can tell you what to do and hopefully everybody chooses to be civil. It's the result of reading Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged and being too stupid to understand why we went away from that in the first place.

Libertarianism in the US, is often a cover for anarchism and fascism. I'm sure there are some genuine libertarians out there, but they generally don't get much notice.
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