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keeveek: Marx told you that? Because it's one of the stupiddiest things I've heard in my life, no offence.
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SLP2000: It's typical for todays world that people seem to think that what they don't understand = stupid.

Think why marriages were invented in the first place.

ps. and it has nothing to do with women not having rights, that's different issue.
For economical reasons.

PS. Even if you figure out some rubbish reason from middle ages it stil doesn't make sense. Many things were different in the past, there's no reason to keep them this way.
Post edited June 25, 2011 by keeveek
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keeveek: For economical reasons.

PS. Even if you figure out some rubbish reason from middle ages it stil doesn't make sense. Many things were different in the past, there's no reason to keep them this way.
I cannot teach him. The boy has no patience. Hmm. Much anger in him, like his father.

:P
To narrow minds of the masses, invented conservatism was :P
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keeveek: To narrow minds of the masses, invented conservatism was :P
From Marx to conservatism?

That's really a no-no.
First i thought you stressed out SOCIETY, and then ive realized you're stuck to the "how brilliant things were in the past".
And I'm neither of those.
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keeveek: What a silly question.

Freedom of speech should remain boundless or it's not freedom of speech. If a nurse, afro-american, soldier, hippie can go outside and protest, gay people should have rights to protest for WHATEVER reason too.

In any other way, you're just denying freedom of speech at it's core.
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JudasIscariot: I ask only because those parades are a bitch to get around when they happen in the middle of Warsaw. That and then I have to worry about dodging drunken skinheads and other elements of that nature. I'm all for expressing yourself but damn, pick a side of Warsaw that isn't going to cause traffic problems.
You just answered your own question. As long as drunken skinheads are a problem the marches will continue. Now, when people stop having to worry about drunken skinheads, I think it will be time to reconsider the utility of such demonstrations.


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Paradoks: Not any time soon hopefully. I may very well be dead when that happens. People still respect family values here.
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MaxwellKraft: You can respect the traditional nuclear family and still support same-sex marriage, and if you find homosexuality icky you can always just avoid it. You will be amazed at how easy it is to go through life and not have a guy suck your dick.
Too true. Even if you don't mind, unfortunately.
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keeveek: Marx told you that? Because it's one of the stupiddiest things I've heard in my life, no offence.
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SLP2000: It's typical for todays world that people seem to think that what they don't understand = stupid.

Think why marriages were invented in the first place.

ps. and it has nothing to do with women not having rights, that's different issue.
Marriage was primarily devised as a means of social control. Subjugating all parties involved. There've been societies in which there were no marriages, the Spartans spring instantly to mind, had no concept of marriage as we see it, instead they'd experience love in the intrasex way and would only have intersex sex when the time came to replenish the ranks.

Pretty much anybody that advocates for marriage as it stands is somebody that advocates controlling people and making them give up freedoms for an illusory vision of happiness.

Personally, I support same sex marriage purely for equality reasons, but because I think that marriage is in any way desirable or good for people. It's more likely to get equality that way than to make everybody else give up their marriages.
Post edited June 25, 2011 by hedwards
Thats the nice thing about states rights...states can decide issues for themselves. Big govt conservatives/liberals want to control that here and they've done a good job installing court members, having them "interpret" the constitution in their own way, and then telling states NO. You may think liberals are better/more evolved but they want to control you too, just in a different way. Power people will always be wanting more because its in our DNA..so they must be constrained always.

Fact is, govt has no business in marriage and it should be between the people and a pastor.

Personally, I'm not religious so I don't give two shits about marriage but anyone should have the right to have their relationships blessed by the holy man if they want.
Bravo to New York!

As StingingVelvet mentioned, civil unions and marriage oughta be separate, with the unions being a legal covenant between men (okay, people. 'Men' is the convenient term.) and marriage being a covenant between a couple and their deity. In this case, we could "legalize" polygamy by not recognizing it with Man's laws but allowing them to be married under the laws of their religion. In other words, have as many wives as you want but only the first wife gets Man's legal rights of the civil union.

Why any man would want to torture himself with more women is beyond me...

Either way, more 'marriage' is not harmful to society. If anything, allowing gays to marry will help with societal stabilization as it places more and more people into long-term commitments, hopefully based on a solid loving foundation. You'd think the social conservatives would embrace that. Oh well: that opinion is slowly being overwhelmed by the forces of legal equality.

What I do know is that the homosexuals can't fuck it up any worse than the hetero couples already do. Writing this a week after a friend of mine tells me he's getting a divorce, after being married 15+ years
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Paradoks: A very sad day.
Fuck you.
Congrats NY, good move.
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Paradoks: A very sad day.
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Vagabond: Fuck you.
Huh, we have lots of people in Poland who are affraid of gay people :D

You may say: fuck them all ;-)
Post edited June 25, 2011 by keeveek
Cool.;)
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HereForTheBeer: Bravo to New York!

As StingingVelvet mentioned, civil unions and marriage oughta be separate, with the unions being a legal covenant between men (okay, people. 'Men' is the convenient term.) and marriage being a covenant between a couple and their deity. In this case, we could "legalize" polygamy by not recognizing it with Man's laws but allowing them to be married under the laws of their religion. In other words, have as many wives as you want but only the first wife gets Man's legal rights of the civil union.

Why any man would want to torture himself with more women is beyond me...
I'd recommend looking up the FLDS or Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, the fundamentalist branch of the Mormon church if you don't believe that polygamy is harmful to society.

When only a small number of folks are engaging in it or a similar number of couples are engaged in polygynous relationships the problem is minor. However, if you don't you end up with a surplus of potential mates of one sex or the other and in cases like the FLDS they have to be disposed of somehow because you have to have at least 3 wives in order to get your reward, meaning that about 2/3 of males have to be kicked out of the community to maintain the necessary ratio.
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SLP2000: You guys seem to think about marriages from the wrong point of view.

Marriages are not for people, contrary to popular belief. Marriages are for societies and countries, that's why they were invented, and that's their purpose.
Bet I know my history better than you. And you is what? Wrong.

Just go and ask the ancient Egyptians their view on marriage.

And civil unions versus marriage is a separate but equal segregation, and just as thoughtless. Using marriage as primarily being a religious ceremony in an argument against marriage for gay people is like saying Hitler was in charge of Germany in the 40s; you leave quite a bit to be assumed by the audience when you don't get the whole story.