Ok maybe I'll get back to the later episodes when they start airing them. Unless they require you have watched earlier episodes/seasons too?

DS9 is the same really, it picks up a LOT when the war arc starts in season three or so. From that point on you get 4 seasons of very good serialized political war drama sci-fi. At least, in my opinion.

Of course I like all the Star Trek shows on some level, even early DS9 and Voyager which were, relatively, pretty terrible.

Ok then, I have to check when the reruns get that far.

You belittle "nerds" for failing to outgrow the stuff they liked when they were younger, yet you are an active member of a website which is dedicated to the nostalgia of video games from the past. That seems incongruous to me unless you claim that the old games you still play are "true art" which is deserving of an intellectual's attention.

Apart from the facts that this is a general gaming forum that discusses modern games at least as much as it does old ones, and that GOG is dedicated primarily to games without DRM, being against a "refusal to outgrow" doesn't mean thinking everything should be outgrown, or even most things.

In terms of gaming, I can't take anyone seriously who refuses to acknowledge that the medium has moved on, that many games that used to be great are now outdated and what they tried to achieve has been done much better by modern releases. Many games, but far from all.

Of course, that comparison is flawed because I don't think that games have much of an intellectual dimension and aren't art (feel free to be outraged by that, or call me ignorant, I couldn't care less. For what it's worth, I don't disrespect anyone who disagrees with those comments or anything like that. I realize "games as art" is a touchy subject, if you think they are the most important modern art form, that's fine, I have absolutely no interest in the discussion at this point and only mentioned what I did because I can't answer your post in an honest way without doing so, and so forth and forth...), and as such you don't outgrow them in the same way as you do, for example, books, to go back to what I was actually talking about in my first post.

I tried re-watching Transformers G1 & He-Man a few years ago. I loved those cartoons when i was a kid, and thought it would be nice to take a trip down nostalgia lane.
But darn, they were bad. He-Man was nigh unwatchable, and Transformers were just not fun. The Transformers comic books though, those still hold up (once you get past the slow start). The Real Ghosbusters (cartoon) also had some pretty funny episodes, at least the ones that J. Michael Straczynski made.

Sometimes never good t revisit your favourite show after years off not seeing it some can survive the test of time others wow. Take for me Battlestar Galactica i loved the original series are ropey that could be but i loved it now with the remade series i cant watch the original as for me the new series is the Battlestar that it should have been and the original was some kiddies program.

Because we change? Your memory probably also alters over long time, scews what you really felt and such. After all most mechanism in brain are there to make us survive so to put it simply, to avoid depression or being killed it fills you up with happy memories (if they're true is irrelevent, at least from survival instinct's point) to put it up longer.

Yes, I'm cynical and a pessimist.

I remember firing up Star Wars JK Outcast & Academy about a year ago because I had them on Steam and I got some excitement to play them after thinking about them. You know what? They sucked. Big time. I played Outcast back in 2002 right before Academy was released and then Academy after release and I loved them, I played a lot of multiplayer with a few friends and my brother and even with bots it was fun, even with bots. Now? I won't touch them, at least the campaign. I wonder if I should try them again, maybe I wasn't in the mood.

Fortunately they didn't destroy the movies, they're still kick ass.

I used to be a huge fan of Goldorak/Grendizer as a kid. I've rewatched some, lately. It is godawful. Utter crap. Hilariously dumb and random, Shameful. I was shocked.

I used to be a huge fan of Ulysses 31 as a kid. I've rewatched some. This thing is genuinely brilliant. Very rewatchable.

I used to be a huge fan of Bob Morane (the novels) and James Bond (the films). I still am. But... it's different. My tenderness has become a bit more ironical, some asoects have aged funnily, and while some others are still great, and still unreplaced, I'm forgiving -sometimes enjoying- flaws that I didn't use to be aware of.

I used to be a huge fan of Terence Hill and Bud Spencer. I've rewatched some of their movies. They are absolutely embarrassingly painful.

But amongst these, "they call me trinity" and "trinity is still my name" still stand out. These two are excellent westerns. I appreciate them even more now that I critically distinguish them from the other Spencer&Hill movies.

I used to be a huge fan of Benny Hill. It now bores me to sleep. Especially the french dubbed version that was inflicted to us (yes, it's the one I was liking)

I used to be a huge fan of the Muppet Show. I've rewatched some. I realise I wasn't even close to trully appreciate theit greatness. I'm impressed.

And in the world of french/belgian comics, there is a strange mix of things that aged greatly or badly (or authors I loved but later realised they were just ripping off other authors, which spoils their work a bit).

As I aged, I began to notice how it was becoming easy for me to spot massive plot holes in stories. So I still love dumb action movies, but it's hard not to notice the failings of the stories.

Worse, even pieces of story hailed as awesome start falling apart under my eyes sometimes.

All that things said, I still love much of what I used to watch when I was a kid. I know they're bad, but I just think'em to be "Awesome bad". :)

Ahh...Nostalgia.
We generally have fonder memories of things we experienced as children.
That's most likely because we evolved to be the best at gaining knowledge and experience as children, for later use as adults. And since our major source of knowledge are the adults, we tent not to doubt them. We usually cannot see things critically at that point.
If something was positive for us back then it will make us feel good later in life. That's how McDonald's works. We have good memories of playgrounds, HappyMeals and in later life we connect McDonald's with nostalgia.
Now, we also may notice that the food there is shit, but it doesn't change our positive memories.
As children we probably didn't notice the flaws of things because our minds weren't developed enough to see things critically and we took most of we saw for granted nor realizing the flaws. Now if we look at those things with more adult and educated eyes, we see the bad things, but still feel positive towards them.

Yes, walt disney marketing work a lot like that, familiarising toddlers with walt disney trademark iconography, etc.

Yep, one simple word. Change. Seems to happen whether we want it to or not.

When you're younger, you don't have as much "comparative experience", so at the time something may seem new and interesting - but go back to it years later with new experiences and it just isn't the same.

I loved reading Stephen King when I was younger but for years now I haven't really enjoyed anything he's put out, even though I try. His character types are repetitive and he tends to be long-winded. Everybody still thinks "horror" but he's not, really, at least not in the traditional sense. Even if I go back and read something older, they don't all hold up (a machine in a plant that wants to eat people? Goofy, not scary. Being attacked by rats? Yawn).

But still, the memories are tied to a point in life when things were much easier and I wasn't so cynical; my parents were still alive; and I had yet to make a bunch of dumb decisions. So memory kind of combines everything and says "Yes, that was a much better time".

I'm just wondering, what do you think of people who enjoy and appreciate both such "childish" books and stories they enjoyed as kids or teens (or discovered them only later), and heavy, dramatic, adult, highly artsy or intellectual stuff? Or do you think they're mutually exclusive?
I call such people open minded. And see no harm in enjoying a story that doesn't engage your intellect completely, or engages it in a different manner, or lacks some standard of "maturity". Nor do I see why would such people be considered any less intellectual than those who enjoy "highly intellectual adult" stuff exclusively.

I remember you making a thread about the my little pony phenomenon, saying how you don't understand grown up men enjoying a show for little girls, how it's degrading and what not. Although I have never seen the show, I was tempted to post this quote by c.s.lewis in that thread, but alas most of the time I'm way too lazy to post anything:

Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

While it is your right, don't be so eager to judge people whose tastes are different than your own in such a condescending, elitist manner. I think it's a sign of intellectual maturity too (I really don't mean to be offensive, but I don't know how to put it differently).