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Time to unleash the dolphins!
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Catshade: Time to unleash the dolphins!

RELEASE THE KRAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKEN
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Catshade: Time to unleash the dolphins!

Nah, let's use the underwater-BP-fog-of-war.
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BrowncoatGR: You know there's so many messed up places around the world it always boggles my mind how most people get stuck only on what gets shown on TV and promoted by the US gvnt. Not that N. Korea is not in a terrible state, but there's clearly worse

http://www.hrwf.net/north_korea/nkpdf/Humanexperimentation.pdf
Trying to find the official UN document on it, will update with it when I find it. Care to be experimented on with Chemical weapons in a glass cell? Just don't criticize the state TV or its laughably bad comic books.
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lukaszthegreat: Subs are out and we don't know where they are...
NK has nukes
Subs can shoot them

By the look of the 5 minutes of googling on the Sang-O class mini-submarine (it's a third of the length of the soviet Victor class cruise missile sub), its a minelayer or a torpedo boat and unless they've been playing Red Alert a bit too much, they're unlikely to have nuclear torpedoes. Chances are that it's an infiltration team, apparently the class has been used in that capacity before.
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celeborn10: Care to be experimented on with Chemical weapons in a glass cell? Just don't criticize the state TV or its laughably bad comic books.

What are they going to do, test it on animals? That would be CRUEL!
Post edited May 26, 2010 by Aliasalpha
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lukaszthegreat: Subs are out and we don't know where they are...
NK has nukes
Subs can shoot them
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Aliasalpha: By the look of the 5 minutes of googling on the Sang-O class mini-submarine (it's a third of the length of the soviet Victor class cruise missile sub), its a minelayer or a torpedo boat and unless they've been playing Red Alert a bit too much, they're unlikely to have nuclear torpedoes. Chances are that it's an infiltration team, apparently the class has been used in that capacity before.

If you have nukes and other wmd don't you put money and resources into developing a method of delivery?
long range rockets are complicated...
making the sub a bit bigger to have ability to shot short range rockets is probably easier.
just my thought.
and they can also use it as kamikaze. swim to the port as close as possible... boom and take out whole coast.
I wouldn't put it past North Korea to develop torpedoes with nuclear warheads. They are far cheaper to make than ICBM's, they would be devastating against coastal ports and they have the dubious benefit of potentially causing a Tsunami which would cause even more devastation. The only reason no-one else uses them is the potential for colateral damage but I don't think Kim would be too fussed about that.
Post edited May 26, 2010 by Delixe
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lukaszthegreat: Subs are out and we don't know where they are...
NK has nukes
Subs can shoot them
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Aliasalpha: By the look of the 5 minutes of googling on the Sang-O class mini-submarine (it's a third of the length of the soviet Victor class cruise missile sub), its a minelayer or a torpedo boat and unless they've been playing Red Alert a bit too much, they're unlikely to have nuclear torpedoes. Chances are that it's an infiltration team, apparently the class has been used in that capacity before.

You'd love Tom Clancy. Some of those electric subs out of China are also supposedly quieter than US fast-attacks at least. Not sure how they'd compare against an Ohio.
Another day, Another threat from North Korea. Big deal. :p
I like how they're essentially yelling at each other across the DMZ though, loudspeakers and all.
Post edited May 26, 2010 by kabhal
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Delixe: I wouldn't put it past North Korea to develop torpedoes with nuclear warheads. They are far cheaper to make than ICBM's, they would be devastating against coastal ports and they have the dubious benefit of potentially causing a Tsunami which would cause even more devastation. The only reason no-one else uses them is the potential for colateral damage but I don't think Kim would be too fussed about that.

The issue is more getting a nuclear warhead of sufficient size. We have no real knowledge of their capabilities, but given they have only tested recently, I would say their bombs are currently far too large to be considering such a small delivery system.
This is why they develop large rockets. If they could make small warheads I would expect them to use an artillery based system instead (as I expect they have developed for their chemical weapons systems).
On a slightly different note, given they apparently killed 46 sailors, should their football team be excluded from the World Cup? Or should we keep sport and politics very separate?
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Andy_Panthro: The issue is more getting a nuclear warhead of sufficient size. We have no real knowledge of their capabilities, but given they have only tested recently, I would say their bombs are currently far too large to be considering such a small delivery system.

The US had small sized warheads during the Cold War called the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)]Davy Crockett[/url], a torpedo has neither the sophisticated guidance system or the solid fuel that take up a large amount of room so a nuclear torpedo is not really hard to imagine.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/07/north-korea-leadership-succession-son
some stuff about kim's eldest son.
so this is son of most deranged leader? He either looks like someone who couldn't hurt a fly (which probably is true as he wanted to go to disneyland)
or like someone who would eat your mother and make you watch (which might also be true as he wanted to go to disneyland)
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lukaszthegreat: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/07/north-korea-leadership-succession-son
some stuff about kim's eldest son.
so this is son of most deranged leader? He either looks like someone who couldn't hurt a fly (which probably is true as he wanted to go to disneyland)
or like someone who would eat your mother and make you watch (which might also be true as he wanted to go to disneyland)

I fell off my chair for the 2nd time this week.
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lukaszthegreat: so this is son of most deranged leader? He either looks like someone who couldn't hurt a fly (which probably is true as he wanted to go to disneyland)
or like someone who would eat your mother and make you watch (which might also be true as he wanted to go to disneyland)

Rofl. Hope it's the former.
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lukaszthegreat: so this is son of most deranged leader? He either looks like someone who couldn't hurt a fly (which probably is true as he wanted to go to disneyland)
or like someone who would eat your mother and make you watch (which might also be true as he wanted to go to disneyland)
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cw8: Rofl. Hope it's the former.

If you tickle his feet he becomes the latter.