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Posted February 22, 2012
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wormholewizards: Lately, i've been thinking.. so many post got low repped if they don't sounds favourable to certain group. Like OP first post, he stated his case. Nothing malicious.
Generally it has to do more with HOW something is said, not WHAT is said. If someone were to make a thread titled "not sure how I feel about Mass Effect 3" and list the same information the OP did--so basically the same thread, but without the Chicken Little prophesying--I doubt it would have been down-repped.
Posted February 22, 2012
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wormholewizards: Lately, i've been thinking.. so many post got low repped if they don't sounds favourable to certain group. Like OP first post, he stated his case. Nothing malicious.
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jefequeso: Generally it has to do more with HOW something is said, not WHAT is said. If someone were to make a thread titled "not sure how I feel about Mass Effect 3" and list the same information the OP did--so basically the same thread, but without the Chicken Little prophesying--I doubt it would have been down-repped.
Pretty much this. We have a saying in Germany. "Kraut hafer backlstein steine brus" which can be roughly translated into "the tone makes the music.
Posted February 22, 2012
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wormholewizards: Lately, i've been thinking.. so many post got low repped if they don't sounds favourable to certain group. Like OP first post, he stated his case. Nothing malicious.
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jefequeso: Generally it has to do more with HOW something is said, not WHAT is said. If someone were to make a thread titled "not sure how I feel about Mass Effect 3" and list the same information the OP did--so basically the same thread, but without the Chicken Little prophesying--I doubt it would have been down-repped.
Exactly. the level to which Roman dives in to self aggrandizing obnoxiousness is the reason I downrepped that post.
Posted February 22, 2012
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wormholewizards: Lately, i've been thinking.. so many post got low repped if they don't sounds favourable to certain group. Like OP first post, he stated his case. Nothing malicious.
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jefequeso: Generally it has to do more with HOW something is said, not WHAT is said. If someone were to make a thread titled "not sure how I feel about Mass Effect 3" and list the same information the OP did--so basically the same thread, but without the Chicken Little prophesying--I doubt it would have been down-repped.
You're right. Maybe because i don't find his thread title and subsequent post are offensive. But i can see why other people will get upset, same as me with TW2 last year.
Posted February 22, 2012
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jefequeso: Generally it has to do more with HOW something is said, not WHAT is said. If someone were to make a thread titled "not sure how I feel about Mass Effect 3" and list the same information the OP did--so basically the same thread, but without the Chicken Little prophesying--I doubt it would have been down-repped.
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Crassmaster: Exactly. the level to which Roman dives in to self aggrandizing obnoxiousness is the reason I downrepped that post.
well, everyone posts stupid stuff from time to time.

...unless this is a regular occurrence, in which case...Roman, you need to adjust your style :P
Posted February 22, 2012
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Crassmaster: Exactly. the level to which Roman dives in to self aggrandizing obnoxiousness is the reason I downrepped that post.
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jefequeso: well, everyone posts stupid stuff from time to time.

...unless this is a regular occurrence, in which case...Roman, you need to adjust your style :P
It is. AAA game release approaches, Roman starts this up. Or dredges up a thread that has been dead for 2 years. Either way, it's nothing but links to other people's material. Lame.
Posted February 22, 2012
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jefequeso: well, everyone posts stupid stuff from time to time.

...unless this is a regular occurrence, in which case...Roman, you need to adjust your style :P
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Crassmaster: It is. AAA game release approaches, Roman starts this up. Or dredges up a thread that has been dead for 2 years. Either way, it's nothing but links to other people's material. Lame.
Cut him some slack. After all, bashing AAA titles is the internet equivalent of bragging about your sexual conquests in the dorm lounge. It flaunts your manhood for all to see!

...or alternatively, Roman is just a wannabe hipster.
Posted February 23, 2012
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Crassmaster: It is. AAA game release approaches, Roman starts this up. Or dredges up a thread that has been dead for 2 years. Either way, it's nothing but links to other people's material. Lame.
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jefequeso: Cut him some slack. After all, bashing AAA titles is the internet equivalent of bragging about your sexual conquests in the dorm lounge. It flaunts your manhood for all to see!

...or alternatively, Roman is just a wannabe hipster.
So a wannabe hipster would be the opposite, right? Sort of a bizarro hipster? So Roman is clad in gigantic, ballooning Hammer pants and constantly cheering and clapping about how great everything is. :)
Posted February 23, 2012
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Coelocanth: Which may end up being tantamount to shooting themselves in the foot. It seems an increasing amount of gamers are also starting to look at DLC as either 'cut content',
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Fred_DM: i thought we were way past that now. seriously, that may have been the case early on in this generation, but not now. the kind of DLC that is produced for games like Castlevania, Mass Effect 2 and Fallout: New Vegas can hardly be considered "cut content".

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Coelocanth: just not worth the price,
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Fred_DM: depends on the DLC, obviously, but DLC in general seems to sell well enough. one thing is for certain: Bioware and Bethesda wouldn't be doing this much DLC (and high-quality DLC at that!) if it didn't sell.

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Coelocanth: or as content that demonstrates the game is 'incomplete' at release.
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Fred_DM: may be true for some games, but certainly not for Bethesda and Bioware games.

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Coelocanth: And they're passing on DLC until they can get it all in a GotY or Ultimate edition.
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Fred_DM: or maybe they're not and that's why we're not saying GotY editions of certain games...?

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Coelocanth: If increasing numbers of gamers are waiting for sales, it may be an indicator that their prices are too high.
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Fred_DM: yeah well, why would game prices suddenly be too high? they generally haven't increased, with the exception of a few regions/publisher/individual games, while production costs have shot through the roof in the last 10 or so years.
Guy, you sound like an advert for DLC :S I'd expect those word in a press release.

DLC, to me, has never been worth the price.. and I've alway, and always will, see it as cut content, or at the very least taking time away from the main game, especially with day 1 DLC.. that IS just a con.
Post edited February 23, 2012 by Tormentfan
Posted February 23, 2012
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Tormentfan: DLC, to me, has never been worth the price.. and I've alway, and always will, see it as cut content, or at the very least taking time away from the main game, especially with day 1 DLC.. that IS just a con.
maybe instead of trying to be stubborn for whatever reason you should try thinking about it in realistic terms...

DLC per se is NOT cut content. why should it be if it's produced AFTER the main game has been completed? are the contents of an expansion pack cut content too? by your logic they would have to be because the only difference between the two is the distribution method.

during the final phase of game development, no new content for the main game is produced. instead it's all about playtesting and bugfixing. what are the designers and graphics artists going to do during that period? they either start working on a new game or on DLC. that's how you get Day 1 DLC.
Posted February 23, 2012
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Tormentfan: DLC, to me, has never been worth the price.. and I've alway, and always will, see it as cut content, or at the very least taking time away from the main game, especially with day 1 DLC.. that IS just a con.
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Fred_DM: maybe instead of trying to be stubborn for whatever reason you should try thinking about it in realistic terms...

DLC per se is NOT cut content. why should it be if it's produced AFTER the main game has been completed? are the contents of an expansion pack cut content too? by your logic they would have to be because the only difference between the two is the distribution method.

during the final phase of game development, no new content for the main game is produced. instead it's all about playtesting and bugfixing. what are the designers and graphics artists going to do during that period? they either start working on a new game or on DLC. that's how you get Day 1 DLC.
Again you sound like a corporate line.. I don't particularly mean offence to you... but I find your rationalisation of the existance.. and 'need' for Day 1 content to be naive.

If there were no other means of padding their profits, I can't help feel that gaming experiences out of the box would be far more satisfying.... I'm sorry, but you'll never convince me it's a good or acceptable thing for consumers.... these descisions are made purely from a profit point of view.. and quality and pure profit speculation never go hand in hand.
Posted February 23, 2012
Doesn't really matter. Origin account requirement is a deal breaker for me.
Got screwd by EA online with DA1 and ME2, no more.

Didn't get DA2, wont be getting ME2 either.
Posted February 23, 2012
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bazilisek: But I can and will blame them for that BioWare points crap.
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Fred_DM: yes, that's the major flaw in their system.

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lukaszthegreat: Dragon age: Ultimate edition tells you that you are full of dragon poop
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Fred_DM: let me see:

Mass Effect: no GotY
Dragon Age: Origins: Ultimate Ed. (not complete, though!)
Mass Effect 2: no GotY
Dragon Age 2: no GotY

i don't see why you would expect a ME3 GotY.
wait... what's missing from the ultimate edition?!
Posted February 23, 2012
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Tormentfan: If there were no other means of padding their profits, I can't help feel that gaming experiences out of the box would be far more satisfying.... I'm sorry, but you'll never convince me it's a good or acceptable thing for consumers.... these descisions are made purely from a profit point of view.. and quality and pure profit speculation never go hand in hand.
the commercial success of the DLC model - and Day 1 DLC as well - confirms that it IS an acceptable thing for consumers.

seems to me you're stuck in 1999 mode - like many of us were at the beginning of this videogaming generation. but development and distribution models have changed and you just have to come to terms with that. sticking your head in the sand won't get you anywhere.

and of course it's about profit. why do you think Bioware makes games in the first place? every game developer has to balance business interests with artistic ambitions. there isn't anything particularly evil about that.

it's simple: Bioware knows ME3 DLC would sell. they have the manpower and finances to produce the DLC. why wouldn't they do it?
Posted February 23, 2012
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Roman5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri0vrJ-y2zM
Lobed it all i can say
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