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amok: Thanks for the banane, by the way. Potassium is good for you.
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JMich: Did you know that "banana" is a radiation unit?
No, actually I did not. Google time.

Edit - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose. Cheers.
Post edited May 30, 2013 by amok
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JudasIscariot: You ask and you shall receive:

http://www.um.com.au/spaceout/
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BlueMooner: O_O

Judas I... thank you. You have no idea what this means to me.

Thank you.
BTW you will Notice that has an AU tag to it AU means Australia Hehehehe we are the ones More tolerant Move over to Australia Go to Oxford St in Sydney. That is where all the gay guys hang out.

also LangurMonkey adzeth is NOT MALE! Adzeth is a Female just letting you know!
Post edited May 30, 2013 by fr33kSh0w2012
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JudasIscariot: You ask and you shall receive:

http://www.um.com.au/spaceout/
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BlueMooner: O_O

Judas I... thank you. You have no idea what this means to me.

Thank you.
You might also want to have a look at Persona 4. It's originally a PS2 game, and since a few months a remake for PS Vita is out. It's not really clear if the character is gay or not, but his sexual identity is one of the game's subtopics. Read or [url=http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/mattbodega/blog/kanji-tatsumi-a-look-at-sexuality-and-gender-in-pe/34201/]this - careful, though, the second link contains spoilers! Just read the introductory paragraphs.

If you're also interested in transgender: The Guilty Gear series, which has an appearence here on GOG, has a character named Bridget who looks and behaves like a female but is actually male. I don't know about his sexual orientation, though, and since it's a fighting game the character profile probably doesn't matter anyway.

http://www.gog.com/gamecard/guilty_gear_x2_reload

http://www.gog.com/gamecard/guilty_gear_isuka
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BlueMooner: O_O

Judas I... thank you. You have no idea what this means to me.

Thank you.
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Bavarian: You might also want to have a look at Persona 4. It's originally a PS2 game, and since a few months a remake for PS Vita is out. It's not really clear if the character is gay or not, but his sexual identity is one of the game's subtopics. Read or [url=http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/mattbodega/blog/kanji-tatsumi-a-look-at-sexuality-and-gender-in-pe/34201/]this - careful, though, the second link contains spoilers! Just read the introductory paragraphs.

If you're also interested in transgender: The Guilty Gear series, which has an appearence here on GOG, has a character named Bridget who looks and behaves like a female but is actually male. I don't know about his sexual orientation, though, and since it's a fighting game the character profile probably doesn't matter anyway.

http://www.gog.com/gamecard/guilty_gear_x2_reload

http://www.gog.com/gamecard/guilty_gear_isuka
That's NOT transgender that is just Cross Dressing.
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fr33kSh0w2012: That's NOT transgender that is just Cross Dressing.
Oh, and here I thought cross dressing was when you accidently spill Ranch dressing into the Bleu Cheese dressing...
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fr33kSh0w2012: That's NOT transgender that is just Cross Dressing.
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Braussie: Oh, and here I thought cross dressing was when you accidently spill Ranch dressing into the Bleu Cheese dressing...
No that's just a Mess, Would taste Revolting too.
Hey, sorry if my post made you angry. That wasn't my intention, I thought I would just set out my views on that particular video. I have a real problem with logical fallacies and poor reasoning and I guess that came out a little too harshly in my response. That said, please don't feel obliged to respond to my posts, if you'd rather play games, more power to you!

Responding as briefly as I can to your response:

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granny: 1) " That has nothing to do with the damsel in distress trope. "

As I recall (although there is no way I intend to waste any more of my life watching a Tropes video to double check), Sarkessian does describe the damsel as (effectively) being male property that is passed around in the great game of patriarchy, or some such. The response video suggested a different interpretation. But I strongly suspect that different interpretations isn't what Sarkessian is after. Or her fans/acolytes for that matter.
I guess what I was trying to say here was its a false dichotomy, the author of that video has a different interpretation but that interpretation doesn't conflict at all with the damsel in distress trope, its just an additional feature of the story. I think false dichotomies are the most common logical fallacies used by people in arguments generally - it annoys me. I thought the thing about male property was in Anita's second video so maybe that wasn't what the author was responding to, but that said, the damsels can be both property and something else.

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granny: 2) "Why? Why can't she be someone who can fight evil (through brains or brawn or unfaltering wisdom and elegance?)?"

That... has nothing to do with the set-up (as described in the quote you posted from the video) of Zelda as a character. What you are talking about (if I understand this correctly) is Zelda's response to the evil she is subjected to, yes? I cannot answer that, as I do not know a great deal about Zelda. One possible suggestion? She does, but much like with Peach, when a thromping, stomping bad guy comes along, she has to rely on her army. Or, in Zelda's case, Link.
I'm not really sure I understand the point here. What you have said is the whole point of the trope, the female relies on someone else (not usually an army, usually a single person). Zelda's back story may be that she is wise, etc, but that isn't demonstrated in the game at all (or maybe I have just totally misunderstood your point).

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granny: 3) "The fact that there are a examples of games which don't involve the trope, doesn't lessen the relevance of the trope."

That rather depends. If Sarkessian was after presenting a balanced view point, then there would have been more examples in her video of games that do not feature the trope. You know, to say 'this is how it's done'. Or, rather, to show she actually did some research.

The fact that (as I recall) Sarkessian barely acknowledges any exceptions exceptions suggests either a distinct lack of research, or a huge amount of bias. In fact, I do believe that the history she gives concerning the development 'Starfox Adventures' has been shown to be somewhat lacking. Which makes you wonder what she spent $160,000 and nine months doing, considering she had already created at least half a dozen other 'Tropes' videos before the kick-starter.
I think that is misunderstanding of what a trope is, I don't think anyone is suggesting there aren't some games which don't have the trope, but that doesn't alter the fact that there are a huge number of games that do have the trope. I personally don't understand the whole "balanced argument" complaint. If someone is putting forward evidence to support their opinion, it doesn't make sense to me that they would put forward evidence (at the same time) that doesn't, it doesn't happen in advocacy, it doesn't happen in philosophical arguments, Descartes didn't put forward a series of logics which would have disproved his argument "I think therefore I am". I'll look into the Starfox Adventures stuff though..
I really disagree with everything this woman has to say about video games. But the thing that really pissed me off in this current video is how she used ICO as this "LOOK MISOGYNY!" grrr and then related that to wife beating......

Of course this is all coming from a person who believes segregation is good....
Post edited May 30, 2013 by Arianus
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Arianus: I really disagree with everything this woman has to say about video games. But the thing that really pissed me off in this current video is how she used ICO as this "LOOK MISOGYNY!" grrr and then related that to wife beating......

Of course this is all coming from a person who believes segregation is good....
ICO will always have a special place in my heart, so props their. But where does she state segregation is good?
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Arianus: I really disagree with everything this woman has to say about video games. But the thing that really pissed me off in this current video is how she used ICO as this "LOOK MISOGYNY!" grrr and then related that to wife beating......

Of course this is all coming from a person who believes segregation is good....
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C17: ICO will always have a special place in my heart, so props their. But where does she state segregation is good?
here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbihPTgAql4

it is towards the end of the video
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C17: ICO will always have a special place in my heart, so props their. But where does she state segregation is good?
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Arianus: here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbihPTgAql4

it is towards the end of the video
That is disturbing.
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Bavarian: You might also want to have a look at Persona 4.
Persona 4 = not for PC? Oh well. Thank you though, and +1 for your help, I appreciate it.

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htown1980: I personally don't understand the whole "balanced argument" complaint. If someone is putting forward evidence to support their opinion, it doesn't make sense to me that they would put forward evidence (at the same time) that doesn't,
I struggle with this too. OT1H, I think people are trying to make the argument that a person should be more encompassing of an issue when discussing a topic. "Don't just say America sucks because of an illegal invasion of Iraq, what about the good stuff the US does also?" IMO there are two flaws with that.

FIrst, it assumes the person is making a broad comment about an issue when really they're focusing on a specific thing. If a person feels the invasion of Iraq was wrong, they're only talking about that issue, not the US as a whole. Saying one needs balance in the complaint is either intentionally trying to pull the complainer's point off-track, or is simply misunderstanding the point entirely.

Second, I can't help but get a little sense of laziness and hypersensitivity when such an argument is made. "Hey, how dare you complain about something I'm emotionally connected to! I don't like hearing you talk negative. You need to be more respectful and say something positive! Plus, you need to do my work for me and undercut your own argument so I don't have to."

I want to stress that I am NOT saying this about Granny or anyone else here, just a problem I have with the "you need to dilute your complaint" argument.

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Just an FYI for people who don't know. You can modify YouTube links to jump to a certain place in the video. Just add &t=AmBs, where A = minutes and B = seconds. Thus, jumping to the 3:15 mark of the video above about segregated train cars turns this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbihPTgAql4

to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbihPTgAql4&t=3m15s
Post edited May 30, 2013 by BlueMooner
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Arianus: here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbihPTgAql4

it is towards the end of the video
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C17: That is disturbing.
No kidding...
I'm undecided about segregated train cars, so I'm wondering what you guys think should be done about all the groping she mentions?
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BlueMooner: I'm undecided about segregated train cars, so I'm wondering what you guys think should be done about all the groping she mentions?
Any form of segregation is a negative to me whether it be gays, blacks, whites, Asian's it's too slippery of a slope to go down once you start segregating in one form a politician will come along and push it a little further.

If there are people on the train that are groping women then they can employ conductors to monitor these trains thus getting more people jobs, also a bonus to this would be that the conductors can also verify that everyone has paid for there passes rather then sporadically doing these sweeps.

Following this line of thought cameras are most likely watching these train cars and recording these offenses if the women in question just report that this is happening the police can look at the surveillance footage and either ticket the guy or give him a warning. Might I also add groping is NOT limited to men vs women, women can do it to! the only difference is if a woman does it the man, he doesn't bother reporting it, this can get a little grey when you talk about an older woman groping a younger man leading into pedophilia at which point it becomes a illegal and disgusting offense.