Wow. I've made a monkey meltdown without even trying. What the hell? I've typed a few words into this computer thingy about how men and women should be equal, and maybe sometimes we should think about that. AND NOW I HAVE MADE AN ENEMY FOR LIFE!... I guess. Or at least an enema. Or anemone.

By Pixies? I tried to listen to it but couldn't, the singing doesn't go well with my mind :p
If I was somehow involved with the calamity, I would want In the Hall of the Mountain King to be the background music.

That's the thing though, right there you're assuming it'll be more appealing because you think your potential audience is purely made up of straight males (and generally young white ones at that, if you look at most playable game characters). That unintended personal bias of believing the world is just like you and should always cater for you is where things start getting into casual sexism and other -ism territories. Straight males = all or most gamers is an assumption based on personal bias and a wrong one at that. As is assuming that a majority of that straight male group would only accept in-game avatars that are exactly like themselves, preferably super-hero versions doing Macho Stuff.

Isn't the same old story and protagonists time and again anything but shocking?

As a side point, when you do get games such as The Longest Journey or Beyond Good and Evil that have strong female leads, there's no sudden outcry of 'but.. I have to play as a girl, this is shit, I can't play this!'. They're both brilliant games in their own right and are not exactly unpopular amongst either male or female gamers, in fact they're a breath of fresh air.

Perhaps the problem is more that straight males = most game designers rather than the gaming audience itself. Designers just need to be braver and more imaginitive, or rather, perhaps the suited publishers do. It's much easier to think 'that worked well before, lets do it again, and again, and again... etc' than it is to consider doing something different.

And you also mention publishers knowing their markets best, but publishers do lose money and go under - pretty frequently at the moment. That suggests the tired old formulas aren't working. As does many Kickstarter's success and the gamers happy to support different and new games the publishers didn't want to take a chance on.

WTF is going on inside that little brain of yours. How am I against women and men being equal? I totally believe men and women are equal. But my beliefs and your beliefs do not shape the fucking world.

No, I'm not emotional but it seems like you feel threatened by other opinions. I only pointed out your way of logic that in some cases people can do mistake and in other situation they never do a single mistake.
I wonder what makes you think that a publisher is able to discover players' sexuality easier than what other games of other publishers they buy elsewhere.

I think we have said enough to each other, so extending this discussion wouldn't bring nothing new to the table.

I don't get that either. You are clearly talking outside of the emotional point of view, thinking stricly business-wise about what sells and what not, and all you get in response is LOL YOU HATE WOMENZ comments?

Really?

I don't know.

Money. Assets. Know-How. People. Research. Probably entire fucking building full of people who do only market research and analysis?

The most truth to be wrung out of this dirty rag of a thread.

You could always ask Tiny for advice, if you want.

In the only online game i've ever played, I was head of a guild. I PM'd the head of a neighbor guild about joining forces. I thought the game was pretty boring, so I wrote a little story in the PM about a female diplomat going to visit. The player took this to mean that I was female, and started hitting on me.

I have to confess, I started messing with his mind.

I'm not assuming anything. If this kind of stuff is found in many PC games and console games, it is what the majority wants to see. I don't know why you are bringing sexism into this. It makes no sense that designers are the problem. First of all, there is no problem other than capitalism and second why would people purposely make a game they want and not a game that makes as much money as possible? They don't care about money?

It was more of a Fight Club reference, tbh. Led Zep would obviously make anything 100% more awesome.

Dude. Youre bringing up a movie being almost one hundred percent aimed at men and their fantasies into a conversation about feminism!

Also, you do not talk about fight club!

Well, this thread took a quick turn for the worse. I think I'll stick to responding to rational discourse.

This is more what I was hoping out of the series, she hasn't done anything yet that I don't see from others who are able to put stuff out of that quality on a weekly (and sometimes even daily) basis for little more than the ad revenue. If I'd have contributed to her kickstarter I'd definitely be expecting more.

I'm also hoping to see her tackle some of the worse stuff too, a lot of what she discusses so far is nothing I haven't seen in pretty much every action movie or TV show I've ever watched, I'm not surprised I see the same in my games which tend to be action oriented too.
I'd like to see what she thinks of things like dating sims and how they represent courting women (most of which tend to look like jailbait) and on a more sinister turn; rape simulators. I know it won't be anything good of course, but to see precisely what she has to say on those would be more interesting than the mainstream games which really only mirrors other forms of mainstream media.
I'd like to see her tackle games that allow you to play as either male or female to see if there's any differences in how their stories play out and whether or not she thinks that's better or worse.

Yes, we live in the best of all possible worlds, everyone is a true rational actor and what is is what must be. Fatalism? What's that?

I'm wasn't looking for favors here. My goal here was not to have 100000000000 rep. I wanted to educate some people about real life so they don't continue thinking SOME GAMES ARE AGAINST WOMEN! but now that I see doing such a thing is like trying to educate a brick wall. Too many stupid people here and people who just twist words into something they want to see. I regret trying to educate people here in this thread. All I've accomplished is wasting my time. So go ahead, make TROPES VS WOMEN, your new fucking bible. Whatever. Believe what you want to believe. Believe that everything is against women. LOL Believe that corporations have no idea what they are doing. Believe that you know better than them.

Ciao.