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langurmonkey: No it's not fair. And I feel for her, really. I think everyone should have access to lots of entertainment that they can enjoy but capitalism says no...
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ET3D: It may be true that she's a minority, but some of these depictions are unnecessary. Do these depictions of loved women turning into monsters really sell better? What about using a father rather than mother? How would this affect sales?

Some awareness of the issue might lead to game designers trying to widen the appeal, and that might actually work.
A beautiful woman turning into a hideous monster is more shocking than a man turning into a hideous monster. Women are more beautiful in the eyes of straight males. To see something beautiful become hideous is also memorable. There are many reasons why they do this and none of them have anything to do with sexist beliefs and misogyny. Gamers want to be shocked time to time otherwise life becomes too boring.
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Hesusio: Glad that's out of my system. But yeah, all of this sheer hatred is utterly ridiculous. People really need to calm their tits.
Yeah but without those people we would have never heard of her,she would not have gotten that much attention and money, and we would not have these funny threads. So I am glad they are very vocal in their outrage and hope they continue, its very funny to read.
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amok: ....minority... did you just not read the 47% of gamers are women?
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roninnogitsune: So are all Women gamers cloned from your girlfriend that if they meet her needs they will have pleased all of them? I want to see a better female presence in gaming but the only way is for them to make themselves to make them look like a viable market, appealing to Ethics don't matter when talking to an industry that doesn't care or need to care, they target the audience that they think will make them money for what they do. A girl can like action movies but she has to swallow the machismo that comes with them. Expecting people to try and please everyone is foolish.
Exactly! Finally, someone who gets it...
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roninnogitsune: So are all Women gamers cloned from your girlfriend that if they meet her needs they will have pleased all of them? I want to see a better female presence in gaming but the only way is for them to make themselves to make them look like a viable market, appealing to Ethics don't matter when talking to an industry that doesn't care or need to care, they target the audience that they think will make them money for what they do. A girl can like action movies but she has to swallow the machismo that comes with them. Expecting people to try and please everyone is foolish.
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langurmonkey: Exactly! Finally, someone who gets it...
Not really surprising that you insist women should swallow. (Hurray! Cheap joke acheived!). Women are 47% BUT SOMEHOW THAT IS NOT VIABLE? Fuck you. And do it hard.
I'd like to know: what were you guys hoping to see in these videos?

Personally, I watch way too many webseries to be impressed by another person talking into a camera interspersed with movie or game footage.

I would have liked to see developer interviews. With the funding, plus all those seminars she gave to developers, I think it would have been possible. I'd like to see her sit down with a writer or designer and ask: "what made you do things this way?". It would have been a proper dialogue about the issues.
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langurmonkey: Exactly! Finally, someone who gets it...
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HMDK: Not really surprising that you insist women should swallow. (Hurray! Cheap joke acheived!). Women are 47% BUT SOMEHOW THAT IS NOT VIABLE? Fuck you. And do it hard.
Ugh, they are not 47%... Please repair your crashed space ship and go back to your home world, Planet Feminazi, already.
Post edited May 29, 2013 by langurmonkey
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amok: ....minority... did you just not read the 47% of gamers are women?
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roninnogitsune: So are all Women gamers cloned from your girlfriend that if they meet her needs they will have pleased all of them?... Expecting people to try and please everyone is foolish.
But what about the children in Africa, who's going to cater to gaming interests of the starving children?..

You do realize this is a derail, right?
Amok: "there are women who want to play FPSes but can't find anything good to play, FPS designers should be more inclusive".
You: "but what about the women who don't want to play FPSes?"
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Leroux: Isn't it kind of funny that the "majority" in this thread is represented by one or two vocal members arguing with all the "minority" gamers? Must be a GOG phenomenon ... :D

I'm just grateful that I'm able to enjoy Beyond Good & Evil, Aquaria, Syberia, The Longest Journey, Portal, Tomb Raider, Donkey Kong Country, Escape Goat, Pacman etc. without feeling estranged that I'm playing an ape, a goat, a creepy yellow munching ball or something as alien as a woman (with boobs! *shivers*). :)
But... but ladyparts are icky and confusing and that pretty girl from class didn't award me with a blowjob after I helped her with her homework! And I'm SUCH a Nice Guy (tm)!
I guess it's true what they say, women are from Omicron Persei 7, men are from Omicron Persei 9...
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langurmonkey: A beautiful woman turning into a hideous monster is more shocking than a man turning into a hideous monster. Women are more beautiful in the eyes of straight males. To see something beautiful become hideous is also memorable. There are many reasons why they do this and none of them have anything to do with sexist beliefs and misogyny. Gamers want to be shocked time to time otherwise life becomes too boring.
For me that doesn't work. Maybe it's because I'm a woman.

The woman turning into a monster and then her loving man puts her out of her misery is overdone, and for me it's nothing more than a symbol that here should be a horrible, emotional plot moment but the designer had no creative idea what to do.
It's like the guys joining my Shadowrun P&P group and when you ask them about their character they start with "He's an orphan..."
Yes, it makes things easy plot-wise.

But really, I would like to see it the other way around from time to time, meaning the husband/boyfriend turning into a monster. And I wonder if video game designer then also come up with "put him out of his misery" as the only possible solution.
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HMDK: Not really surprising that you insist women should swallow. (Hurray! Cheap joke acheived!). Women are 47% BUT SOMEHOW THAT IS NOT VIABLE? Fuck you. And do it hard.
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langurmonkey: Ugh, they are not 47%... Please repair your crashed space ship and go back to your home world, Planet Feminazi, already.
Aaaaaaaand... Godwin! Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!
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amok: ....minority... did you just not read the 47% of gamers are women?
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roninnogitsune: So are all Women gamers cloned from your girlfriend that if they meet her needs they will have pleased all of them? I want to see a better female presence in gaming but the only way is for them to make themselves to make them look like a viable market, appealing to Ethics don't matter when talking to an industry that doesn't care or need to care, they target the audience that they think will make them money for what they do. A girl can like action movies but she has to swallow the machismo that comes with them. Expecting people to try and please everyone is foolish.
Nope, not at all But same as all men do not have the same tastes in videogames, neither does women. Do you really think that out of the 47% of women gamers only 1% prefer core games? When it comes to film, there is a lot larger variety, even within action films. It is also different as you do not get so immersed in a film as in a game.

There is a large, broad and cash strong group of people here which is not catered for because there is this incorrect view that a gamer is white male between 15 and 25. This is the demographics which they make games for, and they have sold because this is the games being made. They sold, therefore the logical conclusion is that we need to make more of them. Or is maybe not another conclusion that they sold because it is only this type of games being made?

I do not think it is coincidence that many of the AAA games are not selling as much as expected right now, because there is an emerging market catering for the other half of gamers. My partner want a good AAA game, but she do not need as she gets her fix from casual games right now. It does make me sad, as we do not play together as much as we did before, though. ( yes, I know I am stretching it a bit and that there are more factors, but I do think this is one of them)
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HMDK: Not really surprising that you insist women should swallow. (Hurray! Cheap joke acheived!). Women are 47% BUT SOMEHOW THAT IS NOT VIABLE? Fuck you. And do it hard.
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langurmonkey: Ugh, they are not 47%... Please repair your crashed space ship and go back to your home world, Planet Feminazi, already.
Bing, bing bing... you just hit all the right buttons. Anyone using the term feminazi without irony is a spoiled little Limbaugh baby.
Post edited May 29, 2013 by HMDK
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langurmonkey: Exactly! Finally, someone who gets it...
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HMDK: Not really surprising that you insist women should swallow. (Hurray! Cheap joke acheived!). Women are 47% BUT SOMEHOW THAT IS NOT VIABLE? Fuck you. And do it hard.
Don't you understaaand, only 1 person (amok's girlfriend) of the 47% of everyone plays HARDCORE games, and it's not because the games are all made for men. They know their stuff, they have seen numbers and are statistics masters. I have seen a woman who only played casual games. That is very unlike men, who ALL PLAY ALL HARDCORE ALL DAY like MEN and MEN have MONEY which makes them a MARKET that WOMEN aren't BECAUSE WOMEN HAVE NO MONEY. It's so simple, but hard to get for some.

You heard how langurmonkey wouldn't take part in a market that doesn't want him. He's saying that women need to swallow the shit he wouldn't swallow in their position because he's a MAN damn it.
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Starmaker: Aaaaaaaand... Godwin! Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!
Aaaaand we have a winner for jamotides law, that everyone someone talks about nazis, some douche comes along and calls for that stupid godwin.