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Potzato: You will be quoted not for what you say, but for what you quote.

[/inception]
:D
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keeveek: Say what you want, it's a great quote and a great scene :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW1a_cNKapY
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jjsimp: .but a stranger, not a chance as they might suspect ulterior motives are behind your generosity.
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keeveek: what's worse, if you approach a stranger from behind while packing groceries to their car, they may pepper spray you.
Pepper spray. Here you would be lucky to get pepper sprayed. We have concealed carry here in the Commonwealth of VA, so you could be staring down the barrel of a gun.
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Mivas: Bonus is that they have covered like similar percentage of body as men, very rare feature.
Ooh, really?? That's awesome!! I'm glad I got Alan Wake in the HIB. Hopefully I'll enjoy it when I play it in a few years.

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langurmonkey: They are just stories in games that are catering to the majority of gamers, straight males. And straight males usually like playing as straight POWERFUL males. Power shared is power lost so therefore, females have to be made weak. Otherwise, the straight male wont feel as powerful in the game he just purchased for $50 and therefore make the experience much less enjoyable for him.
Wow. You obviously share the views of Straight Male Gamer. Nobody else can have anything because hetero males need to get all the attention. That's a very 1% attitude; screw the 99. I find that a horribly selfish attitude Langur, so I think I'll stop posting with you.

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langurmonkey: If one day, straight females become the majority of gamers, you will definitely see a change. And I will not like this change because I wont be getting the games that I want anymore BUT I will not scream misandry and think there is a problem. I will not make a video trying to point out, many games are against men.
Minorities have always complained about their social disparity, and always will. How fortunate for you that you will never experience it.
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jjsimp: Pepper spray. Here you would be lucky to get pepper sprayed. We have concealed carry here in the Commonwealth of VA, so you could be staring down the barrel of a gun.
Judging from your avatar, you're prepared for such occasion :P

By the way, today morning, when i was heading back from a store, old lady from the 1st floor opened the door for me. That sexist old hag!
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Mivas: Bonus is that they have covered like similar percentage of body as men, very rare feature.
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BlueMooner: Ooh, really?? That's awesome!! I'm glad I got Alan Wake in the HIB. Hopefully I'll enjoy it when I play it in a few years.

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langurmonkey: They are just stories in games that are catering to the majority of gamers, straight males. And straight males usually like playing as straight POWERFUL males. Power shared is power lost so therefore, females have to be made weak. Otherwise, the straight male wont feel as powerful in the game he just purchased for $50 and therefore make the experience much less enjoyable for him.
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BlueMooner: Wow. You obviously share the views of Straight Male Gamer. Nobody else can have anything because hetero males need to get all the attention. That's a very 1% attitude; screw the 99. I find that a horribly selfish attitude Langur, so I think I'll stop posting with you.

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langurmonkey: If one day, straight females become the majority of gamers, you will definitely see a change. And I will not like this change because I wont be getting the games that I want anymore BUT I will not scream misandry and think there is a problem. I will not make a video trying to point out, many games are against men.
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BlueMooner: Minorities have always complained about their social disparity, and always will. How fortunate for you that you will never experience it.
You obviously aren't really reading my posts. I never said my attitude is a %1 attitude or expressed this... And straight male gamer isn't %1 BTW. More like 99%. And I've experienced what it is like to be a minority many times in my life. When people want to make money, they cater to the majority of their customers... Okay? I'm trying to tell you, what is going on with games today, isn't a misogyny and sexist thing but a business thing. And the tropes VS women video tries to make this look like a misogyny and sexist thing when it is not... Just like aliens do not secretly control the Earth and after we die, eat our corpses.
Post edited May 29, 2013 by langurmonkey
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langurmonkey: You obviously aren't really reading my posts. I never said my attitude is a %1 attitude or expressed this... And straight male gamer isn't %1 BTW. More like 99%. And I've experienced what it is like to be a minority many times in my life. When people want to make money, they cater to the majority of their customers... Okay?
http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_EF_2012.pdf
53% Male
47% Female

Women 18 or older represent a significantly greater portion of the
game-playing population (30%) than boys age 17 or younger (18%)
Okay?
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langurmonkey: You obviously aren't really reading my posts. I never said my attitude is a %1 attitude or expressed this... And straight male gamer isn't %1 BTW. More like 99%. And I've experienced what it is like to be a minority many times in my life. When people want to make money, they cater to the majority of their customers... Okay?
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Adzeth: http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_EF_2012.pdf
53% Male
47% Female

Women 18 or older represent a significantly greater portion of the
game-playing population (30%) than boys age 17 or younger (18%)
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Adzeth: Okay?
That data has to be wrong otherwise there would be more games out there that cater to both male and females. And tropes VS women shows us that most games cater to straight males.
Post edited May 29, 2013 by langurmonkey
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langurmonkey: That data has to be wrong otherwise there would be more games out there that cater to both male and females.
You are just now starting to realize how inane the situation is?
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langurmonkey: That data has to be wrong otherwise there would be more games out there that cater to both male and females.
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Adzeth: You are just now starting to realize how inane the situation is?
So you think all these publishing companies are just retarded when it comes to business?
Post edited May 29, 2013 by langurmonkey
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BlueMooner: As I said earlier, I don't think she makes a strong enough connection between games and real-world consequences. However it wasn't just about violence. She listed a variety of other near-subliminal effects relating to interpersonal dynamics. What many here seem to be missing though, and which she herself hasn't explored yet...
The problem is, she lists these effects and these problems, and she implies that these tropes strengthen them or have other real world effects. This really isn't substantiated any more than the connection between playing violent video games and being violent in real life is substantiated. Which is why it's cheap commentary. It's her speculation, and she passes it on as if it were fact.

As you say, the effect on female gamers is something she hasn't explored, which is why it's mostly missing from the discussion, even though it is IMO the important angle here.
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Adzeth: You are just now starting to realize how inane the situation is?
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langurmonkey: So you think all these publishing companies are just retarded when it comes to business?
Short answer - yes. which is why we need people like this to highlight the dis-balance.
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Adzeth: Okay?
Well, The Sims have a great female audience, I give you that! :P :P :P
I want out of being a straight male gamer if anyone thinks these type of stories cater to my preferences. Ever felt like being a minority within a supposed "majority" and always have other people speaking for you about what it is you "like" (or should like) when actually you don't (at all)? ;)

This gender stereotyping is just as harmful for men as it is for women.
Post edited May 29, 2013 by Leroux
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Adzeth: You are just now starting to realize how inane the situation is?
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langurmonkey: So you think all these publishing companies are just retarded when it comes to business?
Do you really want an answer to this? Ok
No, they are not retarded. They think that the only ones playing are teen boys. How many people have been told "You still waste your time with video games? Why? You're an adult now."?
Add to it the following, Game with concept X gets a huge budget, makes a big marketing campaign, sells well. It's obvious that concept X is what gamers need, so let's make more of those.
Game with concept Y gets a smaller budget, smaller marketing campaign, but it still sells. Enough to cover its costs, and make a small profit over that. But the game isn't a best seller.
Will you fund concept X or concept Y for the next game you publish?

Oh, and by concept Y, I meant a first person parkour simulator, like Mirror's Edge. Likely, Mirror's Edge 2 has been spotted on Amazon.
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langurmonkey: So you think all these publishing companies are just retarded when it comes to business?
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amok: Short answer - yes. which is why we need people like this to highlight the dis-balance.
So all these professional business people are retarded to a point, they don't collect data on gamers and just guess, the majority of their customers are straight males who want to be powerful and important knights in shining armor? Then put lots of $$$ into a game, hoping they gets lots of $$$ back? LOL no way.
Post edited May 29, 2013 by langurmonkey
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Leroux: Ever felt like being a minority within a supposed "majority" and always have other people speaking for you about what it is you "like" (or should like) when actually you don't (at all)? ;)
"What do you mean you didn't watch the football game last night? Why? I do hope that you did watch the Formula One race on Sunday at least, right? Right?"