keeveek: 95% of college thesis are shitty and not worth anything.

Starmaker: Male antagonist = dudebro power. Female antagonist = sneaky duplicitous bitch is being sneaky and duplicitous and should be punished.

BlueMooner: Maybe it continues to get attention because change never occurs? If a problem doesn't stop, why should people stop complaining? How do you determine what other people should complain about?
What change should occur? It's getting attention because the media loves drama , not because this is an issue.

BlueMooner: I don't mean to sound rude, but this comes across as incredibly ignorant of male/female conditions around the world. Do you HONESTLY think that men and women have, and had have, completely equal rights, opportunities and lives?? Do you really think that all things are equal, and that men are the ones suffering here?

Historically, have men been frequently raped? Have men been frequently beaten by their family, spouses, and even children? Yes. Have men been killed, even to this day, to preserve the honor of their family? Yes. Are there countries where men can't work, can't own anything, and can't even leave the house without permission from a woman? This doesn't happen , but you never know what lunatics might make this happen if they complain over video games. Have men been sold as property? Yes , DUH! Slavery does not resume just to women for fuck's sake. Men make better slaves because of their superior phisique. Are men taken and used as sex slaves? Probably only in Russia. Do men receive less pay and are told they should have a woman with them to deal with any important issue that occurs? I don't really get the importance of this question.

I'm sorry , are we talking about history or the 21st century? And to quckly answer your questions , check above:
BlueMooner: So NOT wanting to be constantly portrayed as stupid, weak, incompetent, helpless, incapable, unskilled, immature and unrealistic people who's only purpose is to serve as the sexual property of men is "wanting to change gaming in their own image." Seriously?
Seriously? Do you actually think women are portraited like that in games? Have you played any game in the last 13 years?

BlueMooner: Because a thousand cases of weak women is COMPLETELY negated by a half dozen cases of strong women.
Do me a favour and count again.
BlueMooner: Try this. Make a list of every single female you've ever seen in games. Count how many have huge breasts. Count how many have small breasts. Count how many are flat-chested.

Now make a list of every male you've seen in a game. Count how many have huge bulging dicks/crotches. Count how many have small bulges. Count how many have flat crotches.

Notice anything? Notice how the vast majority of women have huge breasts (and tight, skimpy, revealing outfits) while the vast majority of men have flat crotches (with thick, bulky body-concealing outfits)? It's because the women are being drawn to appeal to hetero men's tastes, while the men are being drawn to hetero men's tastes. All the characters are drawn to appeal to what hetero men want, with women being sexually objectified.

Women are objectified all the time in their lives, why would they want that in their games as well? Imagine if the only male avatar games ever had was a nearly naked male wearing only a pink thong that was tight around his dick and balls, showing every curve. Imagine if games had frequent cutscenes with close-ups of your crotch. Imagine if this was true for 99% of the games out there? Would you complain?

rrr8891: I love the Feminist Frequency chick since she vindicates my misogyny. I'd also enjoy coming on her face.

langurmonkey: Troll comments like this ruin the thread. It is only a matter of time before this thread turns into some kind of war between misogynists, misandrists, crazy feminists, and trolls. So I'm done here.

HijacK: Congratulations! :D You just fed the troll! O.o

granny: Everything needs a starting point, and her thesis is as good a place as any. Over the two parts, it does cover how she presents herself, how she manipulates situations to her advantage, and other general inconsistencies in her views. Not wholly related to games, but given she has apparently become the face of feminist gaming, I think they are, at the very least, interesting to take note of.

granny: I thought the response was fantastic, and rather highlights Sarkessian's one-sided view point.

granny: Well... what is it you don't care about, specifically? From what I've seen, a lot of what Sarkessian presents is biased and one-sided, and it seems the best way to counter that is not so much to spend hours of ones life picking apart, in detail, everything she says, but rather to focus on her attitude and how she goes about business (as it were). If you plant the idea that someone might be talking nonsense, people might just start to do some critical thinking.

Although personal attacks, I agree, are not how you win an argument.

stika: (Yes, I know it's called "Tropes Vs. Women", but does it really make it any less sexist?)

keeveek: I hate that kind of argument. She thinks sexism in video games is a serious issue and addresses that. She doesn't have any obligation to use her time on making videos about men being misrepresented in games.

If you think male sexism is an important issue in video games, maybe you should make a video about it.

HijacK: Yes , because complaining about a video game that you do not even want to play makes total sense. Notice how men are always the same stereotypes in gaming? Guess what! You don't see women complain about that.