Israel has taken land they have no legal claim to, in contradiction of the Geneva Conventions. Any territory occupied since 1967 is in direct contradiction of international law, and Israels operation of de facto open air prisons in the Palestinean Occupied Territory is the most appalling and embarrassing example of human rights violations in the modern world.

What is almost as bad is the western support for this travesty, likely out of some convoluted belief in some religious prophecy.

Via Egypt?

I agree that Israel should step down in some areas. Perhaps some concessions on all sides are needed in the long term. As I wrote before, I think the responsibility is shared.

I generally try to be a little careful with what I say as I never have the full picture. However, when radical elements within the Hamas and other groups launch unguided rockets against populated areas, I understand Israel's need to act. I also understand that operations in urban areas can be quite difficult.

I'm trying to discuss this as an isolated case. I'm tend to be less sympathetic to some Israeli policies in a general perspective. I think some politicians can be full of it, especially some of those on the far right, and sometimes IDF commanders and various operators seem to make bad decisions and mistakes. Sometimes crimes seem to have been committed.

I generally don't like religiously motivated people with power, either. I really don't think you'll find those types everywhere, though.

I remember watching an Israeli movie a while back In Paris that was quite good.
It wasn't a documentary, nor particularly violent, but I really learned a-lot about the situation in Israel and Palestiniens living there...

Here is a trailer : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_j1llK3Fco

It doesn't depict israeli as particularly bad people and I think it is a fair movie.

SimonG would like it, as it's partially about the judiciary system in Israel. And I'd advise anybody on seeing it.


If you watch it, tell me what you think of it.

Fun fact:

The "West Bank Barrier" is probably the best reason why there is actually hope of a peace process again. Because due to this, there are no longer any suicide bombers blowing themselves up in restaurants. Which in turn negates any reason for retaliation.

Which in turn again means there is finally a generation growing up that is not part of the never-ending circle of violence and retaliation.
I've had this on my watchlist for ages. Normally I tried to avoid movies about that conflict, as they tend to bring up the emotional aspects. Which I think is never a proper approach. I like charts, numbers and official reports ;-).

Especially this movie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon_%282009_film%29

was incredibly ham fisted in its approach.

But I guess I need to make an exception for Lemon Tree ;-).

I think "Lemon Tree" was good.

The security fence might serve a purpose (as SimonG points out), but perhaps it could have been deployed more wisely?

Illegal settlers (and perhaps some legal ones) don't seem to make things better.

BS, pull the financial support, it's a shit region, let them throw fucking rocks at each other, without outside cash they'll have blown up their infrastructure within a decade and have nothing left to use.

Fucking assholes on both sides, though I have a real problem with the fucking bellicose Israelis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pillar_of_Cloud

Read the " Reactions / International " part .

I say we nuke Hell so no demon or Satan can spread evil on this earth.

Simple.

Keeping in mind that it is a Wikipedia article with status as "disputed," it seems that the statements from several Arab governments are pretty one-sided. The Syrian Government's reaction seems more than a little absurd.

People like you scare the hell out of me Lou. A country cannot be attacked for "harbouring" terrorists no more than one can be attacked for "harbouring" a bank robber. Terrorism us a policing matter. I take it you are a republican?

The attempt by the USA to expand the rights of warfare to include unilateral attacks against countries that MIGHT have tsrrorists living there is without merit. There is no such thing as an "enemy combatant". You are either a POW, civilian, or suspected criminal. No other classifications exist.

Your claim that israel is justified in occupying extranational territory, unilaterally undertalinf assasinations, and killing.civilians as a way to "fight culture" is ludicrous. The world will be a better place.after the low Israelli birthrate catches up to them. Israel is a failed experiment, move on.

satan said it himself i only introduced evil you people took it in and spread it, plus i am sure there are far more evil people in this world to whom satan is a beginner, plus i am sure even that bastard comes with rules that we humans dont give a damn about, human are far more evil then that fag can ever be

lol did the guy just make fun of his own tragic history and poke his finger up his own ass,

As your tag suggests - "Disconnected"