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OlivawR: If you don't have assets in the EU I don't know what they can do to you if you don't follow their rules in the US:
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Phc7006: The VAT changes as of January 2015 do not change anything to the situation of non EU suppliers.
I though these rules apply to outsiders too. At least that's what I remember reading on some web hosting boards [many were using US hosting and they said their price will increase because of this].
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F4LL0UT: There's already been a thread about this (can't find it right now, though).
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/vat_changes_from_2015_eu
Yo, the previous thread is here:
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/vat_changes_from_2015_eu/page1
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Spectre: I though in most EU countires you only paid VAT as a business if you want over a certain amount. It sounds like a grab for peoples information as well as more trouble for business.
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Phc7006: Sure, but that threshold varies considerably from one country to another. in some cases , In Belgium, it's currently 5580 € a year , and although it will be raised to 25.000€ in 2015, it's still much more difficult to stay under that than in the UK, where the threshold is set at 81.000£
So you're working at tax administration, huh? SPF/FOD Economie? I know who I'm gonna PM when I go full independent ;)

EDIT : A general practical question:
As I only plan to do business with international VAT registered businesses, I guess I should rather only register my VAT number at the national administration so I stay at the 21% belgian rate (or no VAT for dealing with non-eu partners) rather than registering to the MOSS (mini one stop shop) if I stay away from non-VAT-registered people, right?

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BTW, as the current situation is only applicable for e-services in B2C, I've read somewhere that EU is also working to introduce the same tax system for physical goods in B2C in the next few years.
Post edited December 21, 2014 by catpower1980
Let's have a look, how many EU Laws are made:

The Brussels Business

I felt a bit of anger after I watched this movie - but I guess that is how it works when you've no counterweight to business interests.
Post edited December 21, 2014 by MaGo72
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Phc7006: The VAT changes as of January 2015 do not change anything to the situation of non EU suppliers.
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OlivawR: I though these rules apply to outsiders too. At least that's what I remember reading on some web hosting boards [many were using US hosting and they said their price will increase because of this].
Outsiders have been applying the principle of taxation at the rate of the customer's country for years, so there is no change for them as of 1.1.2015. All of this was done "in the name of the application of OECD recommendations", but the application of this principle to EU based providers, while decided back in 2008, was delayed to 2015.
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Phc7006: Sure, but that threshold varies considerably from one country to another. in some cases , In Belgium, it's currently 5580 € a year , and although it will be raised to 25.000€ in 2015, it's still much more difficult to stay under that than in the UK, where the threshold is set at 81.000£
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catpower1980: So you're working at tax administration, huh? SPF/FOD Economie? I know who I'm gonna PM when I go full independent ;)

EDIT : A general practical question:
As I only plan to do business with international VAT registered businesses, I guess I should rather only register my VAT number at the national administration so I stay at the 21% belgian rate (or no VAT for dealing with non-eu partners) rather than registering to the MOSS (mini one stop shop) if I stay away from non-VAT-registered people, right?

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BTW, as the current situation is only applicable for e-services in B2C, I've read somewhere that EU is also working to introduce the same tax system for physical goods in B2C in the next few years.
Pm'ed you
Post edited December 21, 2014 by Phc7006
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F4LL0UT: Also I am a sole trader and it sucks. Will have to either limit my app's availability to Poland or remove all in-app purchases very soon.
Normally, when selling through a marketplace/portal, it's legally recognized that the VAT handling has to be done by the portal/marketplace. See last paragraph of the HRMC page guidance and the attached image...
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-supplying-digital-services-to-private-consumers/vat-businesses-supplying-digital-services-to-private-consumers
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catpower1980: Normally, when selling through a marketplace/portal, it's legally recognized that the VAT handling has to be done by the portal/marketplace. See last paragraph of the HRMC page guidance and the attached image...
That's what I thought originally but then I discovered that Google still puts all of this responsibility on the developers/publishers. And just recently I discovered that Bandcamp and itch.io do the exact same thing. I don't know whether it's some sort of gray area these services exploit or if they are simply breaking the law but for now you're simply screwed if you're an individual or tiny business using their services. Would be great if this whole VAT 2015 shitstorm raised awareness of this bullshit and finally actually enforced this kind of responsibility for the marketplaces.
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catpower1980: Normally, when selling through a marketplace/portal, it's legally recognized that the VAT handling has to be done by the portal/marketplace. See last paragraph of the HRMC page guidance and the attached image...
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F4LL0UT: That's what I thought originally but then I discovered that Google still puts all of this responsibility on the developers/publishers. And just recently I discovered that Bandcamp and itch.io do the exact same thing. I don't know whether it's some sort of gray area these services exploit or if they are simply breaking the law but for now you're simply screwed if you're an individual or tiny business using their services. Would be great if this whole VAT 2015 shitstorm raised awareness of this bullshit and finally actually enforced this kind of responsibility for the marketplaces.
A good example of that grey area is the shitstorm between authors and Envato Markets (Audiojungle, Themeforest, etc.) where there are mutiple long and locked thread about this issue and the website owners replying (through blogs and forum posts) with vague and conflictual answers like they don't even know what they're talking about. Like "yeah, we're gonna do all the VAT stuff" and then saying they're gnna provide content authors with all customers infos :o)