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monkeydelarge: Is NWN 2 really that good? When it came out, people were bashing it non stop.
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HiPhish: It's decent, but it comes with all the problems that are inherent to 3D RPGs. The Neverwinter Nights games are not action games where the addition of height would allow you to do cool stuff like jump around. Making the game in 3D doesn't add anything, it just slows everything down and makes party management during combat more of a hassle. Aside from that though, it was nice, but I still prefer the older 2D games.
Actually, there's the advantage of possibility of direct control of your character that I love for exploring. ... Well it would be, if camera worked.
I used to get this bug in NWN2 when the overhead camera literally fell out of the sky to the ground, so it became literally stuck to the ground, it was probably the most annoying issue I've ever had in a video game, worse than a CTD because it basically made the game unplayable when it happened, the only way to "fix" it was to reload a previous save and hope it didn't happen again.

This was back when NWN2 was new though, it probably got patch out (haven't played my GOG version yet).
Post edited April 10, 2014 by Crosmando
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Crosmando: What? The Gold Box series was amazing, and were actually more "open" than the Baldur's Gate series in which you created 1 character at the beginning (not a party), and you could only pick up pre-set companions, and followed a pretty much linear story. Gold Box games were more open-ended, and the combat was more tactical.

Ravenloft 1/2 and Menzobarrenzan weren't great, but OK, Eye of the Beholder series with the exception of 3 were great if a little simple and clicky.

The only outright "bad" pre-BG D&D games would probably be Descent to Undermountain, the "Silver Box" arcadey games (which were horrible) and Hillsfar.
I tried to get into pre-Ravenloft/Menzobarrenzan D&D games, but couldn't get beyond the abysmal GUI and graphics, Eye of the Beholder excepted.

Otherwise, I found the above games had a decent story, decent dialogue and were highly atmospheric (probably worth playing at least a bit for the feel of it... I got into the AD&D Ravenloft campaign setting based on those games and am an avid fan of that setting to this day), but had incredibly dull and repetitive gameplay. I'm trying to think off the top of my head of any memorable gameplay moment not directly tied to the story or some pre-scripted even from the Ravenloft games and can't.

The most memorably battle sequence from Menzoberranzan was when Drizzt tumbled off a wall to kill a gnoll in his initial intro and that was a pre-scripted sequence. I also remember fondly the pre-scripted event where an elf that joined your party polymorphs into Aboleth form and attacks you.
Post edited April 10, 2014 by Magnitus
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Crosmando: Anyone find it kinda weird NWN2 is currently second on the Top Sellers list, even though it's not on sale?

If anything this is a message to GOG: Get the older D&D games here, they will sell like hotcakes.
When did it hit that spot though?. It sold a ton of copies during the last two major GOG sales remember...
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Niggles: When did it hit that spot though?. It sold a ton of copies during the last two major GOG sales remember...
No, as in it's the #2 Top Seller RIGHT NOW, not overall.
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Crosmando: Anyone find it kinda weird NWN2 is currently second on the Top Sellers list, even though it's not on sale?

If anything this is a message to GOG: Get the older D&D games here, they will sell like hotcakes.
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blotunga: To be fair, the pre-Baldur's Gate D&D games were ... to put it mildly... not the best games out there...
They were more of a mixed bag. There were plenty of great ones, but also a lot of not so good ones. Eye of the Beholder still holds up really well.
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blotunga: Most of those were before my time, but I did try to play Pool of Radiance once... and somehow I couldn't get into it...
I played the NES version and I still think that's the best version. Played it from beginning to end with nary a problem :)
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JudasIscariot: I played the NES version and I still think that's the best version. Played it from beginning to end with nary a problem :)
I've seen it too, graphics and sound are better, but I can't help but think the controls would be pretty annoying without a keyboard.

I actually played through the NES version of Bard's Tale last year, out of boredom.
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JudasIscariot: I played the NES version and I still think that's the best version. Played it from beginning to end with nary a problem :)
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Crosmando: I've seen it too, graphics and sound are better, but I can't help but think the controls would be pretty annoying without a keyboard.

I actually played through the NES version of Bard's Tale last year, out of boredom.
They were actually quite smooth, if I recall correctly.
I installed NWN2 recently, and I couldn't get past the interface. No matter what I tried I couldn't get into it. Then I tried Jade Empire, a game that screams console from every bit it has, and I was able to play (and enjoy) it.

I think I'm going crazy.
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P1na: I installed NWN2 recently, and I couldn't get past the interface. No matter what I tried I couldn't get into it. Then I tried Jade Empire, a game that screams console from every bit it has, and I was able to play (and enjoy) it.

I think I'm going crazy.
The only thing that annoyed me about the NWN2 interface was that it was obviously designed for 720p resolutions, not 1080p. Apart from that it's pretty good, stuff like tooltips for spell and ability descriptions were great, much better than having to reference a manual. Aesthetically though it's pretty ugly.