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StingingVelvet: 2) Wouldn't this make SecuROM and other programs that limit my access to my software, when purchased retail and considered a sale, illegal? If I own my copy of Mass Effect outright, doesn't EA later limiting my access to the game constitute theft?
On a side note, I am actually against reselling media for multiple resons, but I still am a firm believer in being able to play my games whenever and however I want.
Take EA to court over it, see who wins, they will, you know why?
because you can't afford to be in court for two years.
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Weclock: got an email from support, no indication as to why it happened, just that it should be fixed now. can't login right now because I have to do it from the client.

Well a net neutral outcome which is better than it could have been. Did they at least apologise and/or promise to investigate the error to be sure it didn't happen again?
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Weclock: i never thought it a big deal
until it happened to me.

You sound like an after school special on venereal disease or teen pregnancy (as if there's much difference between them)
Post edited August 31, 2009 by Aliasalpha
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Weclock: got an email from support, no indication as to why it happened, just that it should be fixed now. can't login right now because I have to do it from the client.
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Aliasalpha: Well a net neutral outcome which is better than it could have been. Did they at least apologise and/or promise to investigate the error to be sure it didn't happen again?
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Weclock: i never thought it a big deal
until it happened to me.

You sound like an after school special on venereal disease or teen pregnancy (as if there's much difference between them)
No promises, no investigations, no apologies.
And yeah, maybe I do, but it's a pretty big deal.
Well thats just not good enough, very bad customer service. Write a polite yet firm letter to them (physical mail is probably better) detailing your issues and explaining how this has made you very wary of spending any more money on the service since there's been no mention of investigating it to ensure it doesn't happen again
Very probably won't make a difference but it still should be done
The best thing to do really is take that after school special talk to the highest mountain and try to stop Steam from taking over PC gaming, which it slowly is.
and/or one of those 'the more you know' ads with wec in his gas mask
A consumer choice/rights campaign would actually be really good so sometime in the future we might have a chance to use the stuff we buy without begging permission from the distributors
"Please sir, I want some Gary Moore"
"Moore?!?!"
Bah damnit! Now I've just and another story idea of a mad future where DRM is embedded in people and it shuts down parts of the senses relating to copyrighted works unless people have paid a fee. Like auto-mosaic censorship of TVs, blocking certain frequencies of sound when there's music, shutting down your nose so you can't smell the patented crispy bacon of a major restaurant chain.
All of which have the potential to be lethal but it doesn't matter as long as artists get paid a cent a month and big content executives get a million a day
Post edited September 01, 2009 by Aliasalpha
I think I will make a video blog.
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Aliasalpha: A consumer choice/rights campaign would actually be really good so sometime in the future we might have a chance to use the stuff we buy without begging permission from the distributors

Well, I AM a member of The ECA...
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Aliasalpha: and/or one of those 'the more you know' ads with wec in his gas mask
A consumer choice/rights campaign would actually be really good so sometime in the future we might have a chance to use the stuff we buy without begging permission from the distributors
"Please sir, I want some Gary Moore"
"Moore?!?!"
Bah damnit! Now I've just and another story idea of a mad future where DRM is embedded in people and it shuts down parts of the senses relating to copyrighted works unless people have paid a fee. Like auto-mosaic censorship of TVs, blocking certain frequencies of sound when there's music, shutting down your nose so you can't smell the patented crispy bacon of a major restaurant chain.
All of which have the potential to be lethal but it doesn't matter as long as artists get paid a cent a month and big content executives get a million a day

Potential title "2084" Tagline: "Big Brother is now armed ......with DRM!"
"PIO Stepdown killed my mother!"
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Weclock: I think I will make a video blog.

Fully clothed or gas mask only?
Post edited September 01, 2009 by Aliasalpha
Question regarding this: Sometimes I play my Steam games offline simply because it nags me that it keeps updating all the time. If I set it to work offline and restart and then one day they decide to close my account like it happened to Weclock, would I still have access to my games with the Steam App being offline? I fgure Steam not contacting the internet for games does not mean the app is completely offline and they could STILL disable your stuff, but if the point of offline mode is so you can use it without being connected to the internet, then they'd have no way of stopping you from playing with what you already own.
I seem to recall reading that the offline thing needs to be periodically reactivated, monthly or something
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Aliasalpha: "PIO Stepdown killed my mother!"
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Weclock: I think I will make a video blog.

Fully clothed or gas mask only?
Wearing my GOG.com shirt, naturally.
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El_Caz: Question regarding this: Sometimes I play my Steam games offline simply because it nags me that it keeps updating all the time. If I set it to work offline and restart and then one day they decide to close my account like it happened to Weclock, would I still have access to my games with the Steam App being offline? I fgure Steam not contacting the internet for games does not mean the app is completely offline and they could STILL disable your stuff, but if the point of offline mode is so you can use it without being connected to the internet, then they'd have no way of stopping you from playing with what you already own.
maybe, their offline mode doesn't really work, it still connects if you're just telling it to go offline, as opposed to actually blocking the ports or actually being offline.
that sounds confusing so I'll elaborate
steam allows you to go "offline" while you're connected to the internet, but this mode doesn't really take you offline, as it still talks to their servers. :(
the only way to truly go offline is to unplug the ethernet cord or block all the goddamn ports.
Post edited September 01, 2009 by Weclock
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Aliasalpha: I seem to recall reading that the offline thing needs to be periodically reactivated, monthly or something

To add on to what Weclock said, you do need to reactivate and sync with their servers every month. It will throw errors at you if you don't. What a pain.
@El_Caz: You can set in the options to disable automatic patching and updating. I don't know about your other question, though.
Well my first thought would be to start a controlled test on a non-essetial computer. Install steam, download one of the games you have that the computer will run and play it once. Disconnect it from the network and leave it that way for 5 weeks then try to play the game again