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Weclock: oh yeah, and because I love having a personal army, would anybody feel obliged to give me good comments on this?
http://www.wegame.com/watch/Dont_Buy_Games_From_Steam/
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stonebro: No. What are you trying to accomplish with it? It's just you typing in notepad making the same point about Steam games not running when not logged in over and over.
I proved without a doubt that you can't run games purchased through steam without being logged into steam and some people still can't see that.
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Eclipse: there are no DRM on steam, you can enable the "offline mode" and play the games offline.
You can even launch lots of them directly from the exe, it's not a DRM, more an annoying flaw of the client itself

The offline mode is an outright lie. In any real sense, there isn't one. If it's "flawed" then it's been flawed for years now, with no sign of a fix. If you had ever actually used it you'd know that.
Furthermore, trying to run executables without using Steam results in you being told you need Steam to run them. The only exceptions are some DOSbox games. So either you've lying about having tried this or you're lying about it working.
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stonebro: No. What are you trying to accomplish with it? It's just you typing in notepad making the same point about Steam games not running when not logged in over and over.
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Weclock: I proved without a doubt that you can't run games purchased through steam without being logged into steam and some people still can't see that.

You should instead have focussed on the non-functioning offline mode. If people see that it cannot work without a connection then people will be more dissuaded than by the fact that you cannot play games without the client running. Oh, and word wrap is your friend.
Post edited September 07, 2009 by Navagon
Steam offline mode is very very broken. Has been for years and Valve really couldn't care less about fixing it. But you can get it to work most of the time if you've run all games at least once while online and recently.
Of course to ensure it works you then have to actually remove your internet connection and let the Steam client time out until it offers you the choice of going offline. Then, it should work 80% of the time.
But trying to go into offline mode while you actually have a working net connection on your PC? You're wasting your time pretty much.
Steam is like the iTunes of gaming, during the days of full DRM on all songs. You are forever locked into the platform, and must run it to do anything with your games. Many gamers are so invested in Steam that they refuse to try other digital distribution services ("What's the point," they say, "when I have so much money in Steam?").
With GOG, you are platform-independent. With Impulse, you use a client but it is not required to play games. Stardock is also adding a feature called Impulse Anywhere that will allow gamers to download games without the Impulse client (similar to GOG). Another interesting store is GamersGate, which I used for the first time the other day. Steam is most definitely not on the side of the consumer in terms of DRM.
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bansama: Steam offline mode is very very broken. Has been for years and Valve really couldn't care less about fixing it. But you can get it to work most of the time if you've run all games at least once while online and recently.
Of course to ensure it works you then have to actually remove your internet connection and let the Steam client time out until it offers you the choice of going offline. Then, it should work 80% of the time.
But trying to go into offline mode while you actually have a working net connection on your PC? You're wasting your time pretty much.
And when you were online, you had to be signed into to a valid account, not one that was disabled.. well it's not even possible to be signed into a disabled account.
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melchiz: Steam is like the iTunes of gaming, during the days of full DRM on all songs. You are forever locked into the platform, and must run it to do anything with your games. Many gamers are so invested in Steam that they refuse to try other digital distribution services ("What's the point," they say, "when I have so much money in Steam?").

The two don't really compare DRM tracks from Itunes are just about useless on anything other than an ipod so once an ipod customer forever an ipod customer. I'm no Apple hater but I refuse to by an ipod, still got my brick of a Creative zen nx. In effect Apple have created their own monopoly due to the all conquering itunes and being the first out of the blocks with decent mp3 player.
Steam is not restricted to one model of PC and a PC can run many different games from multiple sites, at least others are able to compete.
Post edited September 07, 2009 by rewsan
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rewsan: Steam is not restricted to one model of PC and a PC can run many different games from multiple sites, at least others are able to compete.
it is restricted to windows.
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rewsan: Steam is not restricted to one model of PC and a PC can run many different games from multiple sites, at least others are able to compete.
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Weclock: it is restricted to windows.

True, I'll give you that.
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Weclock: it is restricted to windows.

You can run it using Wine on Linux. Sure it isn't officially supported, but no other DD service that I'm aware of supports it either.
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Weclock: it is restricted to windows.
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: You can run it using Wine on Linux. Sure it isn't officially supported, but no other DD service that I'm aware of supports it either.
and you can run it using parallels, but don't get confused saying steam isn't limited to a platform, because it is.
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rewsan: Steam is not restricted to one model of PC and a PC can run many different games from multiple sites, at least others are able to compete.
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Weclock: it is restricted to windows.

I am running it in Leopard with CrossOver Games. Granted, that is just another offshoot of WINE.
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Weclock: it is restricted to windows.
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Darling_Jimmy: I am running it in Leopard with CrossOver Games. Granted, that is just another offshoot of WINE.
regardless, it is not a supported operating system, it's like saying "oh I can emulate an xbox 360 so the xbox live games can run on pc too!"
no, emulation =\= viable platform
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Darling_Jimmy: I am running it in Leopard with CrossOver Games. Granted, that is just another offshoot of WINE.
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Weclock: regardless, it is not a supported operating system, it's like saying "oh I can emulate an xbox 360 so the xbox live games can run on pc too!"
no, emulation =\= viable platform

regardless, Steam is not necessary to run the games so don't use Steam if you don't like it.
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Darling_Jimmy: regardless, Steam is not necessary to run the games so don't use Steam if you don't like it.

What? You must run Steam in order to play any game purchased on Steam. You cannot open Steam-purchased games with the Steam client closed (it will start itself when you attempt to launch said games).
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Darling_Jimmy: regardless, Steam is not necessary to run the games so don't use Steam if you don't like it.
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melchiz: What? You must run Steam in order to play any game purchased on Steam. You cannot open Steam-purchased games with the Steam client closed (it will start itself when you attempt to launch said games).

There are easy fixes for that.