No i can't watch it because i'm european and since they don't let people upload episodes on youtube, i'd have to either pay a shitload of money to import the DVDs or use torrents, and i'm not keen on doing either of those things.

Also i call bullshit on the link you posted, just because a cartoon is based/promotes a franchise doesn't mean it's bad, or causes the "death" of the industry, yeah there are and have been a lot of shit cartooons and anime that promote stuff and there are and have been also a lot of shit cartoons and anime that are just shit.

I know that the definition of cartoon is not unlike that of an anime, but ihmo there's alot of difference between a tipical american cartoon and an anime, most of the difference comes from the perspective the other culture has.
i'll give you an example (it's a videogame trope but it also fits for anime) : http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/3261-The-Myth-of-the-Gun

I do watch animes like FLCL and Samurai Champloo but unless they get praised by reliable sources i tend to avoid them.

Good trolling, dude.

Amid Amidi is an animation historian. He has served as a judge at various film festival events, has been reporting on the animation industry for years, and has written several books on the matter. He know s a great deal more about the industry than you ever will. When he talks about something being a sign of the end of an entire era, it's because he knows what is going on behind the scenes in the industry and can back it up.

The Hub and My LIttle Pony are systematic of a problem with the entire industry. The shows are not creator-owned and do not reward animators for success. They are not conducive to a creative environment because the safe bet nature of the executives has been drying up quality animation in both the west and the east. The animation industry is in a rut right now, and has only gotten more stuck as the decade has rolled on, and this show's success can only worsen the issue. It IS that as an anime. In fact, most Disney films released in Japan are marketed as "anime". Only in other territories is "anime" used to specifically refer to Japanese cartoons, as a subgroup of "cartoons". So? Do we have the same thing for films? Paintings? Books? Games? Is Lost Planet any less of a third person shooter because the Japanese made it? Why with animation specifically, and why with JAPANESE animation specifically, is something not a valid part of an entire medium simply due to not being western? And "EVERYTHING sucks except things produced in an environment that does things differently" is not a valid argument, either. OF COURSE everything sucks that isn't at all different from something that sucks. If something doesn't count because different ideas went into making it, well then fuck, NOTHING COUNTS. Generally speaking, you SHOULD avoid modern anime. Most of it is terrible, for much the same reason American animation is doing badly. Japan has been in a recession longer than the US, and in recessions people go with safe bets. And safe bets are crap. The safe bets in animation are predictable formulae, product tie-ins, the cheapest animation possible rather than the best or most expressive, etc. All the same, Kemonozume and Tatami Galaxy comes from a block on Fuji TV meant to foster creative, high-quality animation for adults, and it shows. Kemonozume is from the same director, and while it's grittier(stronger sexual and violent content), it's no less artful and it has a more detailed visual style that some could prefer.

In the US, we don't have a "Noitamina" equivalent that I know of. The closest we have had to an analogous serious adult animation block would be Liquid Television.

Ugly Americans is a creative show set in an alternate universe New York City where monsters and demons and the like all live alongside normal people. It has a very EC Comics look to it, and while it seems to struggle to find its voice at times, it has a great individuality and creativity and tons of potential.

Moral Orel is a series about fundamentalist Christianity in middle America. It starts off as a satirical caricature of fundamentalist Christianity, and that on its own is fairly hilarious, but it's in the final season where the show really developed into something that was actually beautiful. Much of the final series consists of masterfully-created episodes that take these paper-thin characters and expanding on them, showing WHY they are what they are. What they're hiding, what they're hiding FROM, what they're dealing with on a daily basis. What starts off as a satire on "Lesson of the Day" Christian programming and culture comes off as a truly beautiful examination of PEOPLE as a whole, and I love it dearly for that.

And you refuse to accept asian animation as examples. Fine. Accept "Avatar: The Last Airbender"(not great, but tolerable with moments that are truly good, and the animation is lovely) and Archer, which while badly animated with computers at least has the decency of not also following a shit script.
I missed the part that was trolling, because I can't find it.

Yes, I do. The geographical location and spoken language of the production staff does not change the medium.

Looks like SOMEONE needs to be shown the magic of Friendship!

Not exactly sure why you entered the thread though, but whatever.

I'll just leave this here.

You don't know shit about animation, television, or marketing. Congratulations on trying to be a snob though, but you fail at that as well.

i never said animes are not cartoons because they suck, i call them animes because it is more specific just like i call cartoons cartoons to be more specific, i know that books are called books all over the world, but since the industry coined this term why not use it?

And regarding the trolling part:
you can tell me the plot isn't tolstoj and yeah you've got a point, you can tell me the animation sucks because you don't like flash and it's a valid although subjective point, you can tell me that ponies are destroying the industry and well that's your crazy opinion, but that the voices are crappy even though the voiceover (normal and singing) is one of the most professional ever in the entire industy is , by definition, trolling.

Hey there!

Now, you have the "name calling" part down, which is great! Since it's the entire basis of your argument, well, not having the name calling part down would mean, uh, an empty post. But hey, you know, if you have a basis for your accusations, see, right AFTER the pointless name-calling was where you'd put it. I'd just like to let you know, because you might be lost and confused as to where to put your reasoned arguments. They go right in the post, in the same rough area as your silly insults that you forgot to back up!

I'm not here to educate you. And since your attempt at in depth research has led you to believe some other idiot saying "ZOMG it's all ovah!" and wrong assumptions and wrong knowledge about animation, television, marketing, production, ect. means you can spout on for pages and pages, and all I have to do is say "No." and I'm still more right than you.

So go on, continue making your little quibbles about the horrid state of animation nowadays, continue on with your poorly remembered nostalgia, lack of history, and hipster levels of attempted snobbishness, because we'll be here enjoying the show no matter how hard you'd like anyone not to.

RatherDashing needs some Pinkie Pie love:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLBDEsDOZs4

That's really neat. I love this strategy, I really do. Fox News has a similar one as well, where they just yell at the opponent so they don't even have a chance to speak, which is also an extension of the "I don't have to listen or respond to you because you're wrong" tactic. It's weird, because you usually only see this one employed by children. They must know something we don't about debate, you know, when they stick their fingers in their ears and scream "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

By the way, Amid Amidi is hardly just "some idiot". Oh hey, that's really nice of you to say, it really is. Really adds so much to the discussion. On a related note, you're a poopyhead.

My Little Pony... serious business

Can we talk about ponies now?

I would buy an RDR My Little Pony DLC.

You don't know shit about talking, threads, or ponies. Congratulations on trying to be a forum poster though, but you fail at that as well.