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Posted June 26, 2009
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RSHabroptilus: Thriller and Smooth Criminal will never die.
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TheJoe: Yes they will.
They did.
But now they're back and I need to hide in my room with David Byrne playing at full blast so I don't hear it.
Hurry up and die again!

LOL sweet, Byrne is one of the things that kept me sane through those years of lousy music too.
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lukaszthegreat: oh. 12 years ago was his third world tour. seen by 4.5M people (including me. twice) he wrote new songs, sang for charities...
he was on top of the world mate.
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Weclock: Performance is one thing, but still, he didn't have any hits, pop was going no where. And even if there was something interesting in the pop world, it wasn't him.
I'm not saying he didn't revolutionize the pop scene, infact I get beat it stuck in my head to this day (well really, Eat it by weird al, but same beat etc.) but the fact remains that the past 20 years have been pretty unspectacular in comparison to his career before then. It's always terrible to hear when someone dies, but as far as his career goes in terms of innovation, he was dead long ago.

Yup. He was already a nostalgia act. He drew much more on old fans than created new ones. His new stuff didn't chart anywhere near as high as his old stuff or make anywhere near as much money.
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BladderOfDoom: I'm going to have to say im not much of a fan of hers either. I don't know i kinda miss the days where pop/rock stars had the decency to go out somewhere near their prime of drug overdoses suicide attempts or the odd assassination. Now they live way too long and end up embarrasing and old or doing adverts for butter or online car insurance (iggy pop, realy now... i kinda expected such crap from johnny rotten but... eh....) Anyway back on topic folks stop trying to derail the conversation, carry on nothing to see here...
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Weclock: she may not be relevant anymore, but she continually reinvented herself to continue with the direction that pop was going. she even ripped off mj.
but at least she was trying, and I think she may have ceased finally.. but still I mean, she kept at it.

"Reinvented" herself by what ... wearing cone shaped bras and putting out another album of crappy music then another? Making that braindead word a meme is horrible enough legacy without having to hear her music too.
I remember reading somewhere that it's hard to imagine what Madonna could be remembered for besides simply being Madonna -- and isn't it more than a little silly to be remembered or celebrated for that? She's a singer who doesn't sing well and an actress only because she was a singer, and a mediocre actress. Will she be remembered for anything more than being popular? Not much. To her credit, she did become a better singer over time, but she started as such a lousy one and still never became a good one. Her tunes, of course, are completely disposable and forgettable. She's one of those "I guess you had to be there" celebrities that will make the next generations go either "Who?" or "WTF?"
Post edited June 26, 2009 by Blarg
Posted June 26, 2009
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Weclock: collecting royalties doesn't necessarily fit my definition of being "on top of the world."
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lukaszthegreat: oh. 12 years ago was his third world tour. seen by 4.5M people (including me. twice) he wrote new songs, sang for charities...
he was on top of the world mate.
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TheCheese33: I think his death was sort of merciful to himself. From what I've read, the guy was drowning in debt, so much so that he had to sell his Neverland Ranch, all his stuff, and perform in Las Vegas to pay back what he owed. In a way, I'm sure he's thankful to die; to be stuck performing for the rest of your days like that would be a life I would never want.

erm... three weeks from now he supposed to participate in series of concerts. the tickets were already sold out. roughly 1 million of them. Just few of those concerts would make him 50M pounds...
the court war was over
Recording companies were fighting each other for him.
Him dieing now is actually the biggest joke ever. when he finally managed to overcome his problems, to clean the frigging mess, to come back to glory as undisputed king.
he gets a goddamn heart attack.

Seriously? Holy shit. That really sucks.
Posted June 26, 2009
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DarthKaal: Anyway, he was a major Pop music artist, his work will stay forever, no doubt about that.
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Weclock: yes, he certainly was, 20 years ago

What don't you understand in the word "forever"?...
Posted June 26, 2009
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Weclock: yes, he certainly was, 20 years ago
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DarthKaal: What don't you understand in the word "forever"?...
what don't you understand in "he was a major pop music artist?"
Posted June 26, 2009
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DarthKaal: What don't you understand in the word "forever"?...
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Weclock: what don't you understand in "he was a major pop music artist?"

And so what? I'm talking about him as a whole, I'm talking about his artist life. He was on top 20 years ago and not yesterday? And what? I don't care about that. Mainly because I can listen and appreciate music made 20 years ago... as many people can... can''t you?...
Once again, I don't understand what you are trying to prove. That you "think different" (to not say "better")? Go make advertisement for Apple...
Posted June 26, 2009
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Weclock: what don't you understand in "he was a major pop music artist?"
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DarthKaal: And so what? I'm talking about him as a whole, I'm talking about his artist life. He was on top 20 years ago and not yesterday? And what? I don't care about that. Mainly because I can listen and appreciate music made 20 years ago... as many people can... can''t you?...
Once again, I don't understand what you are trying to prove. That you "think different" (to not say "better")? Go make advertisement for Apple...
I certainly can, but it goes to say that instead of doing things to improve his life actively and openly for all, instead of just taking meds, and getting addicted to them, he sat there and collected royalties, sure he did performances, but he was performing the same songs that made him great, earlier in his life, not performing anything new, or even releasing a cover album. :/
he become a shadow of his former self, and to be honest it's really upsetting to find that the king of pop died 20 years ago, and now will never return at all.
Although I did hear a pretty bad joke earlier today..
Farah Fawcett died and went to heaven and God asked "what's the one wish you want to come true?" and she said "I want for all the children in the world to feel safe." and then he killed MJ.
It's pretty bad, but it's funny in a south park way.
Speaking of South Park, I can't wait to hear what they have to say.
Posted June 26, 2009
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Weclock: he sat there and collected royalties, sure he did performances, but he was performing the same songs that made him great, earlier in his life, not performing anything new, or even releasing a cover album. :/

To be honest, I prefer a guy who "sat there and collected royalties" rather than a guy who pretend to be as good as before by releasing a quick-made new album each year...
And just as a reminder, all his first "sexual abuse/pedophilia" affairs have started in '93, only two years after Dangerous. Guilty or not, I can easily understand how such problems can break down someone's career, and I can't understand how he could have just a little chance to continue what he has done in music.
So, once again, it's not the point.
Posted June 27, 2009
I was there for the Dangerous tour.... still have the souvenir brochure.....
As for the allegations against him in the past.... look it up. He was not a physically (much less mentally) well person. With the funds he had back then it was easier for him to pay them off in settlement rather than go through a protracted law suite.... the kid in the suite was even recorded as saying: "If I go through with this, I win big-time. There's no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever...Michael's career will be over"
If my child had been molested I wouldn't settle... I'd fight for justice to be done... but that's just me....
It was unfortunate he didn't fight however as not doing so lead to another set of accusations around ten years later... this wasn't settled and went before a jury of his peers. He was acquitted of all counts against him.
Not long after that with medical bills skyrocketing he sold NeverLand Range.... his pride and joy and the one thing that brought him (in later years) some semblance of a childhood. He passed away a poor man broken by the years of allegations and accusations.
He has, it is believed, around $500 million dollars debt secured against his music holdings... which Sony will now pretty much own.
I, personally, don't believe he had any indecent contact with the children that came out but rather they were after an easy mark for a large pay off.... I do believe that his mental and emotional level was that of a teenager at best - or possibly younger.... and probably much of that was due to the lack of childhood he experienced.....
At any rate his music defined a generation and established the music video as a creative enterprise worthy of impressive budgets and direction.... not just something to show a band singing.
He will, I hope, always be remembered for his classics over the last 50 years.....
For me this is a sad day and I shall always remember where I was June 25th when the King of Pop finally passed away.
Posted June 27, 2009
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Weclock: yes, he certainly was, 20 years ago
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DarthKaal: What don't you understand in the word "forever"?...

Yep. Judging from youtube, his videos are probably more popular now than they were when he was alive :p. Sods law I guess.
MJ dying is kind of the equivalent of Lennon and Elvis in terms of music (separating the person from the music). You don't exactly see their music forgotten about either. MJ will be the same case.
Posted June 27, 2009
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DarthKaal: What don't you understand in the word "forever"?...
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nimagraven: Yep. Judging from youtube, his videos are probably more popular now than they were when he was alive :p. Sods law I guess.
MJ dying is kind of the equivalent of Lennon and Elvis in terms of music (separating the person from the music). You don't exactly see their music forgotten about either. MJ will be the same case.

I really do hope that will be the case.....
I'm hoping (and guessing) that Sony will bring out at least one DVD anthology of his music video or maybe of a tour and probably a CD complete discography/anthology going back to the Jackson5 days...
I've got the Ben LP at my parents in storage... shame I have no turntable - would be playing that today otherwise....
Heal the World, Black or White, Earth Song, Ben.... they all have as much relevance today as when they were written - and I'd hazard a guess they will still be relevant in 10, 20, 30 years time... I'd want my children and my children's children to see the videos and listen to the lyrics.
Posted June 27, 2009
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jimbob0i0: the kid in the suite was even recorded as saying: "If I go through with this, I win big-time. There's no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever...Michael's career will be over"

It was actually the kid's father, Evan Chandler, who said that. In the same phone conversation Evan Chandler was asked about how the whole thing would affect his son, to which he replied:
"That's irrelevant to me...It will be a massacre if I don't get what I want. It's going to be bigger than all us put together...This man [Jackson] is going to be humiliated beyond belief...He will not sell one more record"
This is the same guy who had given his son amobarbital (aka "truth serum", although all it actually does is make a person highly susceptible to suggestion) in order to get the original accusation against Jackson.
Posted June 27, 2009
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Posted June 27, 2009
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jimbob0i0: the kid in the suite was even recorded as saying: "If I go through with this, I win big-time. There's no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever...Michael's career will be over"
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DarrkPhoenix: It was actually the kid's father, Evan Chandler, who said that. In the same phone conversation Evan Chandler was asked about how the whole thing would affect his son, to which he replied:
"That's irrelevant to me...It will be a massacre if I don't get what I want. It's going to be bigger than all us put together...This man [Jackson] is going to be humiliated beyond belief...He will not sell one more record"
This is the same guy who had given his son amobarbital (aka "truth serum", although all it actually does is make a person highly susceptible to suggestion) in order to get the original accusation against Jackson.

Ah my mistake... but then that makes it all look even more shady... and I feel sorry for the kid used by his father then....
Been listening to songs all day and watched my old moonwalker video..... It's a tragic loss... and at only 50 - although of course he hasn't been well for years....
Posted June 28, 2009
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jimbob0i0: I was there for the Dangerous tour.... still have the souvenir brochure.....
As for the allegations against him in the past.... look it up. He was not a physically (much less mentally) well person. With the funds he had back then it was easier for him to pay them off in settlement rather than go through a protracted law suite.... the kid in the suite was even recorded as saying: "If I go through with this, I win big-time. There's no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever...Michael's career will be over"
If my child had been molested I wouldn't settle... I'd fight for justice to be done... but that's just me....
It was unfortunate he didn't fight however as not doing so lead to another set of accusations around ten years later... this wasn't settled and went before a jury of his peers. He was acquitted of all counts against him.
Not long after that with medical bills skyrocketing he sold NeverLand Range.... his pride and joy and the one thing that brought him (in later years) some semblance of a childhood. He passed away a poor man broken by the years of allegations and accusations.
He has, it is believed, around $500 million dollars debt secured against his music holdings... which Sony will now pretty much own.
I, personally, don't believe he had any indecent contact with the children that came out but rather they were after an easy mark for a large pay off.... I do believe that his mental and emotional level was that of a teenager at best - or possibly younger.... and probably much of that was due to the lack of childhood he experienced.....
At any rate his music defined a generation and established the music video as a creative enterprise worthy of impressive budgets and direction.... not just something to show a band singing.
He will, I hope, always be remembered for his classics over the last 50 years.....
For me this is a sad day and I shall always remember where I was June 25th when the King of Pop finally passed away.

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Your post pretty much mirrors my own sentiments.
I've only just checked back onto this post, so sorry for my late reply, but I just have to say I am pleased to find some other people here who are prepared to give what I believe to have been a very lonely and pitiable person the benefit of the doubt.
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