what??
total bullshit mate.

few years ago there was a guy who got life sentence from one judge. then another judge tried him and he got nothing.
he went free.

yeah.

DO
NOT
BRING
POLISH LAW and judicial system which is not only corrupt (not very corrupt. not like it was 10 years ago or before the fall of ussr) but highly unpredictable as it depends on single judge's view on wtf laws creators meant when they wrote statue law.


meh. you are hopeless mate. had another discussion with you before but clearly whoever says that there can be 100% certainty that someone committed a crime is just not worth anyone's attention
yeah. read few articles about it.

people tend to treat csi tv series as something real or dramatized reality. Yet in reality it is as close to truth in regards to the topic of the show as is star trek to space exploration.
just bunch of bollocks being fun to watch.

Have we learned nothing from movies? Death races, arena combat, man hunting... there is only ever one guy who is innocent (occasional hooker) and he always finds a way out. Perfect solution.

It doesn't help that much. Prosecutorial misconduct still exists and the courts have been pretty clear about once you've run through your appeals, that's it. Doesn't matter if there's new evidence or a witness that nobody knew about. And defendants regularly have to fight to get their samples tested or retested in the hopes that new technology will do a better job of getting it right. Just look at the innocence project.

On top of that DNA testing isn't always what it's cracked up to be. The tests are good, but they're really not anywhere near the point where they're fool proof. The samples are frequently damaged and are subject to the normal errors which can happen in the lab.

It's a similar problem to fingerprinting where it's viewed as being far more conclusive than it really is. Fingerprints are particularly misleading as they only check a small number of features rather than all or most of the print.

Don't teach me about polish law, baby. There are at least 2 judges and 3 semi-judges (i don't know how to translate a word ŁAWNIK), each with one vote.

And you can't pass life sentence without at least 3 votes for life sentence. Release everyone from prisons them. Or don't use "uncertainity" of judgmenet as an argument against death penalty, because it's the argument against every penalty.

and what this even have to the topic? Right to appeal would stay intact. Death penalty would be fullfiled only AFTER the sentence of appelate court. In the case which you are describing, he would stay alive as well.

"Are you OK with the certainty that science gives to their innocence, but not OK with the certainty it must also give their guilt, therefore justifying the death penalty in those cases?"

That man hit the spot.

Fingerprint is not a proof. It's just circumstantial evidence or indirect proof.

You can't prove someone's guilt with just fingerprint in normal country.

Revenge is also not something that should be promoted. But yeah, this.

I hope you would say the same if you were a victim of a serious crime (no offence, just sayin'), for example someone rapes your daughter or puts you on the wheelchair.

i am not teaching you about law. i am just saying that your one hundred percent thing is bullshit. a guy was given life sentence. and then was tried again and got nill. he went free.

our system is broken and no sane person will ever claim anything otherwise.

and jumping into extremes is not a proper way to have an argument.
you say: either kill criminals or release them all? thats no argument at all.

evidence get tempered with, witnesses lie/make mistakes/prosecutors make mistakes to/on purpose make false statements.

judical system is not perfect. never ever will be.

so it is one thing to send person for life and then release him after 20 years but it is different thing to murder an innocent person.

furthermore a life sentence already removes killer from a society.

also executions are way more expensive than life sentence.

that's why states are abandoning it. too costly with no real benefit.

then we have the fact that biggest supporters of death penalty are countries in middle east, china and other less civilized places. thats says something about what kind of governments doesnt mind murdering its own citizens.

meh. why i even care?

I would agree. Only if the killer would have to pay with his own , not society's money for cell and food. Because when i pay for his time in prison, he remains as a parasite in society. S/he is definitely not removed from society this way.

Remove that thing, make prisoners work for their own cell, and i'm happy with that. I thought that U.S. is the biggest supporter among with China. But you still say it's "cultural".

BINGO!

that's why victims dont decide what punishment a criminal gets. government role is not to seek revenge but without emotions analyze the fact and implement best solution to ensure stability and safety of society.
death punishment is more expensive than life sentence. so your point?
and you are wrong. usa is not the biggest supporter of death sentence. many states already abolished it.

Threads like these really highlight the need for a better forum management system.

On the topic at hand, IT'S LIEK DIE HARD 4, MAN!


IN all seriousness, what lulzsec is doing to net neutrality is shameful, whilst the inevitability of the govs of the world slowly trying to control the internet was always on the cards, events like these speed up the process and we civilains always, always pay for it. The freedoms we enjoy on the internet will now be stripped, all for one groups selfish, arrogant, destructive agenda.

The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few, I hope they get caught with extreme prejudice and be publicly tried to serve major sentences.

But who am I kidding, the more these hackers damage systems, the more the public will call for blood, and I'm oddly comfortable with that idea. Society does not need people like these.

I derail threads for the lulz.

On a serious note, it does not matter what your silly mortal governments do with your prisoners as I have already decided who of them is going to hell.

society does not need a lot of people. and all people disagree on what kind of people we should get rid of.

You hope for extreme prejudice and major sentences. because you believe that their crime suits that kind of punishment?

what about people who think differently about other criminals? Cannabis smokers. many say they all should be sent to prisons for years, who lives...
what about jaywalking? how hard we should drop hammer of justice's vengeance on them?
internet pirates... are they worse than lulzsec? those criminals who upload torrents? ten years for king's speech on tpb? 20 years maybe? that will teach them some manners.

your way of thinking is extremely flawed and a bit dangerous.

Back to the topic. The Lulzboat is sinking.