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cogadh: We don't have an extradition treaty with Saudi Arabia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradition_treaties
I need to stop watching Michael Moore's garbage. Still there are a fair few countries on that list that would raise an eyebrow. Egypt, Nigeria and Pakistan for example.
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cogadh: If there is even the slightest chance that someone might face the death penalty in the US, no matter how heinous the crime, they won't get extradited here.
Except the UK, however that is yet to be tested.
Post edited June 21, 2011 by Delixe
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cogadh: We don't have an extradition treaty with Saudi Arabia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradition_treaties
uhh dude... you've just given us a list so we can point out the ones that are a bit 'troublesome'

I know wiki is a dodgy source but let's look.

Nigeria has problems with security forces being too hostile, congo has slavery problems, malawi prison cell problems...

they were just three I picked out with some basic prior knowledge. I'm sure if we looked into it deeply I could find more.
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predcon: Remember Elian Gonzalez? By strict definition, not exactly an "extradition", but just read about his life after returning to Cuba. While you're at it, read about Operation Peter Pan.
Not the same thing at all. Not even in the same ballpark.
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cogadh: We don't have an extradition treaty with Saudi Arabia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradition_treaties
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cheesetruncheon: uhh dude... you've just given us a list so we can point out the ones that are a bit 'troublesome'

I know wiki is a dodgy source but let's look.

Nigeria has problems with security forces being too hostile, congo has slavery problems, malawi prison cell problems...

they were just three I picked out with some basic prior knowledge. I'm sure if we looked into it deeply I could find more.
I'm sure you could. I'm sure you could also look at the treaties of every major country out there and find some with countries that have policies you or I don't agree with. That is the nature of of international politics. But honestly, what does any of that matter in the context being discussed here? If a US member of LulzSec hacked Nigeria's government servers in violation of Nigerian law, they should and would be extradited to Nigeria to answer for those crimes committed against that country, regardless of anything we don't like about that country's laws, politics, etc. Why is this even a problem?
Post edited June 21, 2011 by cogadh
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cogadh: I'm sure you could. I'm sure you could also look at the treaties of every major country out there and find some with countries that have policies you or I don't agree with. That is the nature of of international politics. But honestly, what does any of that matter in the context being discussed here? If a US member of LulzSec hacked Nigeria's government servers in violation of Nigerian law, they should and would be extradited to Nigeria to answer for those crimes committed against that country, regardless of anything we don't like about that country's laws, politics, etc. Why is this even a problem?
If a hacker was extradited to Nigeria, he'd be susceptible to excessive police brutality, to the point he could be killed in his Jail cell, what would you say then? oh well he shouldn't have hacked Nigerian bank accounts? International Human rights laws state that extraditing people to locations where there Human Rights can be violated, or where that person would be in More danger is wrong, yet the U.S, and I don't doubt the U.K governments have signed treaties with these people allowing such behaviour.
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Delixe: I need to stop watching Michael Moore's garbage.
There's your problem right there.

And in terms of extradition to other countries, the Constitution trumps their laws, which includes sending someone off for cruel and unusual punishment.
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Delixe: I need to stop watching Michael Moore's garbage.
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nondeplumage: There's your problem right there.
I did say it was garbage. I make a point of trying to see both sides of the arguments which often means listening to crap from Moore on one side and Bill O'Reilly on the other. I guess I had Farenheit 9/11 in my head when I mentioned Saudi Arabia.

As for the fact about the Constitution you are correct, which is why all this rubbish is going to end up in an incident. I wouldn't be fussed about Nigeria but I could easily see Egypt looking to get back at Anon and remember it's the trial that happens there not the punishment. They can accuse people and if they have enough evidence invented, circumstantial or otherwise they could push to have the trial in Egypt.
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cheesetruncheon: If a hacker was extradited to Nigeria, he'd be susceptible to excessive police brutality, to the point he could be killed in his Jail cell, what would you say then? oh well he shouldn't have hacked Nigerian bank accounts?
YES! That's exactly what I'm saying! These people are criminals, I don't give two shits what happens to them, as long as they stop committing these crimes. In this one case, I am truly an "ends justifies the means" kind of guy. We've reached a point in this country where "humane" punishment has led to a system that pretty much guarantees the continued and improved activity of criminals, not the prevention of crime in any way. Maybe if we brought back a little bit of the inhumane, some of these shitheads might actually think twice before doing this stuff again.
this just in, the boy's been named and shamed... Ryan Cleary or something, and he has something to do with a power struggle in Anon, one that entailed.... members IP addresses.

I think this is the part where the Police call 'Check'
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cheesetruncheon: this just in, the boy's been named and shamed... Ryan Cleary or something, and he has something to do with a power struggle in Anon, one that entailed.... members IP addresses.

I think this is the part where the Police call 'Check'
Link?
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cheesetruncheon: this just in, the boy's been named and shamed... Ryan Cleary or something, and he has something to do with a power struggle in Anon, one that entailed.... members IP addresses.

I think this is the part where the Police call 'Check'
Well he's guity, ship him out to Cali for lethal injection. Is that what they use in California? I'm never sure, there are so many possibilities.
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cogadh: In this one case, I am truly an "ends justifies the means" kind of guy.
So you think.
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cogadh: Link?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13859868

http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/5/9/exclusive-anonops-splinter-group-speaks-out/

the second one has a lot of /b/tards bitching and whining so you know...
Post edited June 21, 2011 by cheesetruncheon
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Delixe: Well he's guity, ship him out to Cali for lethal injection. Is that what they use in California? I'm never sure, there are so many possibilities.
Well, we're trying to move back to quartering. But there's been some opposition.
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cheesetruncheon: this just in, the boy's been named and shamed... Ryan Cleary or something, and he has something to do with a power struggle in Anon, one that entailed.... members IP addresses.

I think this is the part where the Police call 'Check'
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Delixe: Well he's guity, ship him out to Cali for lethal injection. Is that what they use in California? I'm never sure, there are so many possibilities.
Lethal injection or gas asphyxiation, prisoner's choice. The gas one might not be used anymore though, it was being challenged in court as cruel and unusual, not sure how that turned out.