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Posted June 21, 2011
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Delixe: Err no. Or you might as well say the US is the Internet. The US is currently trying to extridite a guy who ran a TV streaming service in the UK. Because US citizens used it the US claims it falls under their jurisdiction. If you are fine with that then we are headed for a VERY dangerous place.

Team America: World Police would no longer be a joke.
If the CIA servers located in U.S. were attacked it means the crime had impact on the U.S. territory.

but I understand what you try to tell. U.S. are trying to have jurisdiction on everything.
Post edited June 21, 2011 by keeveek
Posted June 21, 2011
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keeveek: The crime he commited had impact in U.S. so U.S. have the jurisdiction. (also Scotland, because it's the place where crime was commited, but they are not seem to be interested in prosecution)
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Delixe: Err no. Or you might as well say the US is the Internet. The US is currently trying to extridite a guy who ran a TV streaming service in the UK. Because US citizens used it the US claims it falls under their jurisdiction. If you are fine with that then we are headed for a VERY dangerous place.

Team America: World Police would no longer be a joke.
America, Fuck Yeah!

We invented the internet, n00b. We had our senators put this series of tubes together...
Posted June 21, 2011
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keeveek: If the CIA servers located in U.S. were attacked it means the crime had impact on the U.S. territory.
Right but all this guy is guilty of is running the IRC chat. Even if that led to a crime it was done in the UK and on UK servers.
Posted June 21, 2011
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keeveek: The crime he commited had impact in U.S. so U.S. have the jurisdiction. (also Scotland, because it's the place where crime was commited, but they are not seem to be interested in prosecution)
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Delixe: Err no. Or you might as well say the US is the Internet. The US is currently trying to extridite a guy who ran a TV streaming service in the UK. Because US citizens used it the US claims it falls under their jurisdiction. If you are fine with that then we are headed for a VERY dangerous place.

Team America: World Police would no longer be a joke.
However, the CIA website LulzSec attacked was clearly US government "territory" (in a manner of speaking), that gives the US jurisdiction over that one crime.
Posted June 21, 2011
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cogadh: I only said Netflix was a rumor, no one has confirmed that yet. All Netflix is saying is they had a "technical issue". This might have nothing at all to do with LulzSec.
Well I said I hoped they didn't have anything to do with it. But it would fit their M.O. of simply hacking everything they can for 'teh lulz'.
Posted June 21, 2011
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Delixe: Right but all this guy is guilty of is running the IRC chat. Even if that led to a crime it was done in the UK and on UK servers.
No, all LulzSec claims he his guilty of is setting up the IRC, the investigation is still ongoing and nothing definitive has been determined yet.
Posted June 21, 2011
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keeveek: If the CIA servers located in U.S. were attacked it means the crime had impact on the U.S. territory.
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Delixe: Right but all this guy is guilty of is running the IRC chat. Even if that led to a crime it was done in the UK and on UK servers.
If that what you're telling is true, then you're right. But he is pursued with hacking CIA website i think.

And about world police. What about Interpol?
Post edited June 21, 2011 by keeveek
Posted June 21, 2011
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cogadh: However, the CIA website LulzSec attacked was clearly US government "territory" (in a manner of speaking), that gives the US jurisdiction over that one crime.
Yes and if that guy was guilty of taking part in it then yes he should be tried by US law. However like I said all they have on him is running an IRC chat, if they have nothing else on him then extraditing him to face US law would set a dangerous precident.
Posted June 21, 2011
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cogadh: I only said Netflix was a rumor, no one has confirmed that yet. All Netflix is saying is they had a "technical issue". This might have nothing at all to do with LulzSec.
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Delixe: Well I said I hoped they didn't have anything to do with it. But it would fit their M.O. of simply hacking everything they can for 'teh lulz'.
Minecraft was hacked, League of Legends was hacked, Codemasters was hacked.

But it's said to not being connected to the LulzSec directly.
Post edited June 21, 2011 by keeveek
Posted June 21, 2011
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keeveek: And about world police. What about Interpol?
It's just a puppet .
Posted June 21, 2011
These idiots are just that, idiots. They are also juvenile. Stealing is stealing. There is no way to justify it. If someone steals my car is it okay to turn around and they say that Ford didn't do a good job with the anti-theft features?

The fact is what they are doing is victimizing individual people and creating a sense of panic. They are assholes and deserve to be thrown in jail for a long time.
Posted June 21, 2011
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cogadh: However, the CIA website LulzSec attacked was clearly US government "territory" (in a manner of speaking), that gives the US jurisdiction over that one crime.
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Delixe: Yes and if that guy was guilty of taking part in it then yes he should be tried by US law. However like I said all they have on him is running an IRC chat, if they have nothing else on him then extraditing him to face US law would set a dangerous precident.
Again, you don't know what they "have on him", all we know is what LulzSec claims he did and they are not necessarily the best source of truth. The police (also not necessarily the best source of truth) are saying they arrested him on suspicion of hacking into systems and mounting denial of service attacks against "a number of international businesses and intelligence agencies"... that's a lot more than just setting up an IRC channel.
Post edited June 21, 2011 by cogadh
Posted June 21, 2011
I wonder who is really the master puppeteer ?
Posted June 21, 2011
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cogadh: Again, you don't know what they "have him on", all we know is what LulzSec claims he did and they are not necessarily the best source of truth. The police (also not necessarily the best source of truth) are saying they arrested him on suspicion of hacking into systems and mounting denial of service attacks against "a number of international businesses and intelligence agencies"... that's a lot more than just setting up an IRC channel.
I'm sure the truth will be out soon enough. Lulzsec is not what I care about, in fact I couldn't care less if the lot of them are shipped to Guantanamo. My problem is US corporations want these people tried in the US because US law favours the corporations. Which is understandable but it's very short sighted. If US corporations get their way then the door swings both ways. You will soon find countries like Egypt, Syria, China and Iran will want the same rules and you don't want to know about the legal processes in those countries. What happens when US hackers are accused of hacking Chinese websites and China demands the US citizens are handed over to face trial in China?
Posted June 21, 2011
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cogadh: Again, you don't know what they "have him on", all we know is what LulzSec claims he did and they are not necessarily the best source of truth. The police (also not necessarily the best source of truth) are saying they arrested him on suspicion of hacking into systems and mounting denial of service attacks against "a number of international businesses and intelligence agencies"... that's a lot more than just setting up an IRC channel.
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Delixe: I'm sure the truth will be out soon enough. Lulzsec is not what I care about, in fact I couldn't care less if the lot of them are shipped to Guantanamo. My problem is US corporations want these people tried in the US because US law favours the corporations. Which is understandable but it's very short sighted. If US corporations get their way then the door swings both ways. You will soon find countries like Egypt, Syria, China and Iran will want the same rules and you don't want to know about the legal processes in those countries. What happens when US hackers are accused of hacking Chinese websites and China demands the US citizens are handed over to face trial in China?
Simple, if there is sufficient evidence, they should be handed over to China for trial, just as would happen with any other extradition situation. We are talking about criminals here; they should know that if they engage in international cyber-crime, they may face more than just their home country's legal ramifications. I'm not going to lose any sleep over that.

BTW - US corporations have nothing to do with this, the FBI want the guy in the US to answer for the CIA hack, that's it.
Post edited June 21, 2011 by cogadh
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