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Posted June 03, 2013
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Theta_Sigma: I looked through my collection, and it appears I have not purchased Seeds of Doom. So I think that is the next one I am going to look into getting I think. I love pretty much most of Tom Baker's work and I am sure I will enjoy that story. While my favourite is probably Genesis of the Daleks, I always look forward to seeing stories I don't remember/may enjoy more. Thank you for the suggestion. :)
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StingingVelvet: It's a good one. All on Earth, but still really sci-fi and with some great Tom Baker moments. Genesis of the Daleks and Talons of Wen-Chiang would be another two of his I love, and Fang Rock. I have a lot of Baker left to buy though, as I mainly focused on Pertwee and Davison at first for whatever reason.
Talons of Wen-Chiang was another really good one. Yeah, there is so much to Tom Baker's run that is really good. I particularly liked how he was always tinkering with things like K-9 and the TARDIS itself. I am tempted to see if I can get "group deals" at a con in August to see if I can get entire sets for a few Doctors in one felt swoop, and if I get doubles I can always drop them with my folks.
Posted June 03, 2013
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Theta_Sigma: Exactly, but fan backlash not withstanding, and even with a talented actress in the role; it would take a great amount of effort and push for fans (or at least the vast majority) to accept such a dramatic change. And, as you've said, it could be looked upon poorly/misinterpreted which could cause a lot of problems amongst many fans. Sometimes the risk is not worth the reward.

I would love to see Susan come back, and it would make for an interesting dynamic between her and a current Doctors. As much as regeneration is a part of Time Lord physiology, they could write some minor animosity between the two as the First was the only Doctor she ever known and could show some sorrow over his incarnation being long gone, but also conflicted with knowing that it's still her grandfather. That could lead to some awesome character development, in my opinion.

Seeing Jenny make a return would be nice too, since for all intents and purposes she IS a Time Lady and it could lead to her wanting to learn more of her heritage. Which could lead to the next thing, the return of the Time Lords, I agree a great many stories dealt with others of his species and there is so much which can be done. Like the imprisoning of Rassilon as part of them trying to make amends for their transgressions with the Time War. This could also lead to Rassilon taking a more ominous and even Black Guardian-ish type looming threat. I have a tonne of ideas in my head of things I'd love to see them try. So much potential that they can explore.
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DireRabbit: Many of my thoughts exactly! :D Another thing with Susan that could be brought up are her parents. Where are they? The Doctor obviously had a son/daughter, what happend there that resulted in him leaving Gallifrey with her?

One thing I want to see if they start brining back the Time Lords is the Valeyard. Been fascinated with that character since his introduction, and want more. I'm wondering if John Hurt's Doctor is a lead in to the Valeyard, but I got the feeling that he's a past incarnation. Going to keep hoping for the return of the Valeyard.
Yes, I agree, that would be fantastic to learn about Susan's lineage, since it would allow to learn more about the Doctor without directly delving into his specific history. I always thought it would be interesting if they were deemed political dissidents against a current for when they left Lord President. To spare Susan suffering her parents fate (death or imprisonment) he took her with him. There is enough corruption in Gallifreyan politics (hell Deadly Assassin being a prime example) that it COULD work.

Well, the fact that Trial of a Time Lord still exists (the GI mentioning the Valeyard hopefully proves this), then the Time Lords must become freed at some point for the Valeyard to go back for the trial. Well he was in a few of the non television productions, which is worth looking into. I kind of rather him being a lead in to that, but like you I get that feeling as well. I am still hoping at "worst" that John Hurt is an aged 8th Doctor rather than what was currently rumored. Well the Valeyard is just an embodiment of the Doctor's dark and sadistic side, it is possible that the Time Lords offer him more regenerations in exchange to extract and study the "essence" possibly not telling him THAT is what it is and it escapes and gains it's own form. I think you could kill two birds with one stone doing that.
Posted June 03, 2013
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BoxOfSnoo: Night Terrors... Ugh. Can't say I have really enjoyed anything Gatiss did.
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Nirth: If it's the episode I think it is then it's possibly the worst episode of the entire show (2005 and onward, I haven't seen the old one).
Dear god no, that title goes to "Fear Her" a story so bad that RTD even tries to deny it exists at times... and he wrote the damn thing! (Seriously drawings that are alive and the olympic games...)

As for writing I much prefer Gatiss' work to RTD's writing, waaaay too much Mary Stu'ing by RTD
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Theta_Sigma: Yes, I agree, that would be fantastic to learn about Susan's lineage, since it would allow to learn more about the Doctor without directly delving into his specific history.
Look up "Lungbarrow" some time it's the last of the virgin books line (which are considered semi cannon as some of the stories have become episodes (but with the 10th/11th doctor instead of 7th (The family of blood story for example)) and RTD used many of his stories ideas in the show (the nightmare child, n-forms etc)).

Lungbarrow takes place just before the 8th Doctor tv movie and actually sets it up, it also contains much of the doctors back story and explains how he and susan ended up traveling.
Post edited June 03, 2013 by wodmarach
Posted June 03, 2013
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Nirth: If it's the episode I think it is then it's possibly the worst episode of the entire show (2005 and onward, I haven't seen the old one).
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wodmarach: Dear god no, that title goes to "Fear Her" a story so bad that RTD even tries to deny it exists at times... and he wrote the damn thing! (Seriously drawings that are alive and the olympic games...)

As for writing I much prefer Gatiss' work to RTD's writing, waaaay too much Mary Stu'ing by RTD
For me... Midnight. I wish I could get the time back I lost to that episode.

Mary Stu? TV Tropes doesn't describe that very well. Can you explain?

I was glad when RTD left. I think the whole series to him was merely a vehicle to promote homosexuality. "YES YES WE GET IT ALREADY. JUST TELL A STORY"
Posted June 03, 2013
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Nirth: If it's the episode I think it is then it's possibly the worst episode of the entire show (2005 and onward, I haven't seen the old one).
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wodmarach: Dear god no, that title goes to "Fear Her" a story so bad that RTD even tries to deny it exists at times... and he wrote the damn thing! (Seriously drawings that are alive and the olympic games...)

As for writing I much prefer Gatiss' work to RTD's writing, waaaay too much Mary Stu'ing by RTD
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Theta_Sigma: Yes, I agree, that would be fantastic to learn about Susan's lineage, since it would allow to learn more about the Doctor without directly delving into his specific history.
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wodmarach: Look up "Lungbarrow" some time it's the last of the virgin books line (which are considered semi cannon as some of the stories have become episodes (but with the 10th/11th doctor instead of 7th (The family of blood story for example)) and RTD used many of his stories ideas in the show (the nightmare child, n-forms etc)).

Lungbarrow takes place just before the 8th Doctor tv movie and actually sets it up, it also contains much of the doctors back story and explains how he and susan ended up traveling.
Thank you for the suggestion, though I do actually own a copy of Lungbarrow in digital format (I am still trying to track down the original print version). I take the story with a grain of salt, but I absolutely love many of the things brought up in the story (though not the looms), and I love how it demonstrates the Doctor in a more relate-able and vulnerable context, to some degree. :)
Posted June 03, 2013
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Theta_Sigma: I am sure that likely won't happen, and that isn't a slight on a woman in the role, but the canon not being taken into account, it would cause too much of a fan backlash (enough that it would be problematic) that they would probably not want to risk destroying the popularity of the show. I think if they REALLY want to have a female Time Lord in the show they should either bring back Jenny, Romana, Susan, or even possibly release the Time Lords from the lock and they open up the flood gates to a variety of new characters. Mind you this is just my opinion, and by no means should or should not be done. :)
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DireRabbit: Honestly, I think a female Doctor would be very interesting with the right actress in the role, but I doubt it would happen. Too much backlash from fans, and many would probably see it as gimiky and a ratings grab. Too risky.

I do wish they'd bring Susan back, or drop some hints as to what happened to her. Jenny too. Return of the Time Lords would be nice too. Classic who had some great stories involving other Time Lords, and there's potential for many more there.
http://io9.com/5887847/gender+swapped-doctors-are-our-new-favorite-form-of-doctor-who
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Posted June 03, 2013
Wow talk about weird, at my last rpg session (a week and a half ago) the group was talking about the 50th anniversary episode and one of the guys jokingly said that Matt would hand in his notice during the episode
Posted June 03, 2013
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BoxOfSnoo: I was glad when RTD left. I think the whole series to him was merely a vehicle to promote homosexuality. "YES YES WE GET IT ALREADY. JUST TELL A STORY"
You found the inclusion of LGB (though I don't recall seeing any T) characters distracting? I completely disagree. The opposite is true. Whenever I watch something like Star Trek, I find myself wondering if their so-called enlightened society is putting all the queer people in concentration camps because they aren't anywhere else in the galaxy. The Doctor Who universe is more welcoming in that respect and I love it.
Posted June 03, 2013
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BoxOfSnoo: I was glad when RTD left. I think the whole series to him was merely a vehicle to promote homosexuality. "YES YES WE GET IT ALREADY. JUST TELL A STORY"
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Darling_Jimmy: You found the inclusion of LGB (though I don't recall seeing any T) characters distracting? I completely disagree. The opposite is true. Whenever I watch something like Star Trek, I find myself wondering if their so-called enlightened society is putting all the queer people in concentration camps because they aren't anywhere else in the galaxy. The Doctor Who universe is more welcoming in that respect and I love it.
There is a line to walk there though. The RTD era of Who seemed to be constantly throwing out interracial couples and same-sex couples, which got kind of... I don't know if distracting is the word for it, but I certainly found myself noticing that half the couples on the show were minorities in some way and that it didn't seem realistic.

I agree on Star Trek and have no problem with including these minorities, but in a realistic way, not a "look at me I am making a statement" kind of way.
Posted June 03, 2013
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BoxOfSnoo: I was glad when RTD left. I think the whole series to him was merely a vehicle to promote homosexuality. "YES YES WE GET IT ALREADY. JUST TELL A STORY"
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Darling_Jimmy: You found the inclusion of LGB (though I don't recall seeing any T) characters distracting? I completely disagree. The opposite is true. Whenever I watch something like Star Trek, I find myself wondering if their so-called enlightened society is putting all the queer people in concentration camps because they aren't anywhere else in the galaxy. The Doctor Who universe is more welcoming in that respect and I love it.
Did it have to be in every. single. blinkin. episode? It was so obviously contrived to cram it in somewhere in each script. I wish he had put that much effort into making the stories compelling.
Posted June 03, 2013
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JinseiNGC224: http://io9.com/5887847/gender+swapped-doctors-are-our-new-favorite-form-of-doctor-who
That article was brilliant. Some of those costumes were amazing!

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Darling_Jimmy: You found the inclusion of LGB (though I don't recall seeing any T) characters distracting? I completely disagree. The opposite is true. Whenever I watch something like Star Trek, I find myself wondering if their so-called enlightened society is putting all the queer people in concentration camps because they aren't anywhere else in the galaxy. The Doctor Who universe is more welcoming in that respect and I love it.
Agreed.
Posted June 03, 2013
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Posted June 03, 2013
Overwhelming gay/lesbian undertones in the RTD era? What? Wasn't it just Cap'n Jack, and then there was the one interracial couple of Rose & Mickey, which dissolved in the first episode? Heck, there was more man-on-cinderblock action than man-on-man action.

Torchwood was a different story altogether, but the RTD Doctor Who shows were quite tame.
Posted June 03, 2013
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JinseiNGC224: This one's for humor:
Thats so good
Posted June 03, 2013
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StingingVelvet: There is a line to walk there though. The RTD era of Who seemed to be constantly throwing out interracial couples and same-sex couples, which got kind of... I don't know if distracting is the word for it, but I certainly found myself noticing that half the couples on the show were minorities in some way and that it didn't seem realistic.

I agree on Star Trek and have no problem with including these minorities, but in a realistic way, not a "look at me I am making a statement" kind of way.
Two quick things:

1. Minorities simply existing is not a statement. Having The Doctor say things like "don't forget the welfare state" is a statement.
2. What could you possibly mean by "in a realistic way?" You can buy into all the wobbly-wobbily, timey-wimey stuff but minorities on screen is unbelievable?
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