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source: http://blogs.csoonline.com/malwarecybercrime/2064/fbi-statement-lulzsec-bust

It appears that several major members of Lulzsec (infamous group responsible for PSN attack for example, as I remember).

Trivia: "leader" of the group is facing 124 years in prison if he gets maximum sentence :P even though he was colaborating with FBI helping them to bust his friends.

He's a real loser if he really thought colaborating with FBI will get him his sentence minimized.
Post edited March 08, 2012 by keeveek
Yeah, it went through the news yesterday. Can't say I feel sorry. These cyber bullies only made matters worse on several levels. They squandered their substantial potential for a mere 50 days of questionable fame instead of doing anything actually useful.
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Psyringe: Yeah, it went through the news yesterday. Can't say I feel sorry. These cyber bullies only made matters worse on several levels. They squandered their substantial potential for a mere 50 days of questionable fame instead of doing anything actually useful.
IT'S A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FOUR YEARS.

These kind of sentences for this kind of thing makes me want to vomit, so they 'jacked PSN big whoop, a bunch of screaming kids couldn't play 'pew pew', it's hardly some kind of sickening societal danger, it was a corporate entiity that should have had it's trousers on tighter.
Post edited March 08, 2012 by Tormentfan
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keeveek: He's a real loser if he really thought colaborating with FBI will get him his sentence minimized.
He is a loser in that he didn't get a written statement by the DA on his sentence. It's the US, you can do shit like that over there.
You have to wonder what his possible sentence was before giving the help and the sentence dropped to 124 years for giving help lol
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keeveek: He's a real loser if he really thought colaborating with FBI will get him his sentence minimized.
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SimonG: He is a loser in that he didn't get a written statement by the DA on his sentence. It's the US, you can do shit like that over there.
They can cut the deal even on paper under some circumstances.
Like "you're not telling everything you know, the deal is void" etc etc

the deals by itself aren't a bad thing. they really help dealing with organised crime. In many cases, criminal wouldn't say a word, but with a deal Police often makes many arrests and more scumbags end up in jail.
Post edited March 08, 2012 by keeveek
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Psyringe: Yeah, it went through the news yesterday. Can't say I feel sorry. These cyber bullies only made matters worse on several levels. They squandered their substantial potential for a mere 50 days of questionable fame instead of doing anything actually useful.
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Tormentfan: IT'S A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FOUR YEARS.

These kind of sentences for this kind of thing makes me want to vomit,
It's not a sentence. It's a scare number put forward by the prosecution by accumulating the maximally possible sentences of the dozens of crimes that they think he committed. We all know that the number won't hold up in the end. I agree that his crimes wouldn't warrant a 124 years sentence, but he won't receive one, so there's no need to feel sorry for him for it.

My remark "Can't say I feel sorry for him" was not referring to his sentence (because no one knows yet what he'll get), but to the fact that he _did_ get caught and hopefully won't be able to continue this cyber bullying, which had no positive effect whatsoever. He undeniably did have the skills to do something meaningful. Instead, he wasted his talents on useless thuggery, frustrated or scared the part of the public whose support will be necessary to maintain a free net, gave institutions like the FBI a convenient excuse to increase control, and is responsible for parts of the media painting hackers as immature script kiddies again. Whatever noble intentions the first days of LulzSec may have had, was gone three days after the Sony hack, when they all got drunk by their newly felt power (which they promptly wasted on idiotic actions). That's why I feel very little pity for him.
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Tormentfan: so they 'jacked PSN big whoop, a bunch of screaming kids couldn't play 'pew pew', it's hardly some kind of sickening societal danger, it was a corporate entiity that should have had it's trousers on tighter.
He did a fair bit more than that. Also, while it's true that Sony should have had better security, that doesn't justify running rampant in others' systems and causing damage. By the same logic, I could steal your wallet and claim that it was justified because you didn't protect it enough.
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Psyringe: He did a fair bit more than that. Also, while it's true that Sony should have had better security, that doesn't justify running rampant in others' systems and causing damage. By the same logic, I could steal your wallet and claim that it was justified because you didn't protect it enough.
Even on this we disagree. Had it been a physical crime with physical face to face conseqences I'd be less understanding or willing to give them a by.
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keeveek: He's a real loser if he really thought colaborating with FBI will get him his sentence minimized.
It was quite sinister actually, they got to him through threatening with prison, and I think implicitly, with denying access to his kids. More info here.

I find the line “It was because of his kids,” an FBI source told Fox News. “He’d do anything for his kids. He didn’t want to go away to prison and leave them. That’s how we got him.” to leave me with a feeling that I don't quite know who the good guys are here.
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keeveek: He's a real loser if he really thought colaborating with FBI will get him his sentence minimized.
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wpegg: It was quite sinister actually, they got to him through threatening with prison, and I think implicitly, with denying access to his kids. More info here.

I find the line “It was because of his kids,” an FBI source told Fox News. “He’d do anything for his kids. He didn’t want to go away to prison and leave them. That’s how we got him.” to leave me with a feeling that I don't quite know who the good guys are here.
That's because there were no good guys in this story. It's a bunch of assholes fighting each other and dickwaving their victory around.
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keeveek: He's a real loser if he really thought colaborating with FBI will get him his sentence minimized.
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wpegg: It was quite sinister actually, they got to him through threatening with prison, and I think implicitly, with denying access to his kids. More info here.

I find the line “It was because of his kids,” an FBI source told Fox News. “He’d do anything for his kids. He didn’t want to go away to prison and leave them. That’s how we got him.” to leave me with a feeling that I don't quite know who the good guys are here.
To be honest, I'd take everything aired on Fox News with a grain of salt. Beside, if he really was worried about his kids (provided he does have some) he wouldn't have done all this shit "For the lulz" as they say.
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Psyringe: He did a fair bit more than that. Also, while it's true that Sony should have had better security, that doesn't justify running rampant in others' systems and causing damage. By the same logic, I could steal your wallet and claim that it was justified because you didn't protect it enough.
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Tormentfan: Even on this we disagree. Had it been a physical crime with physical face to face conseqences I'd be less understanding or willing to give them a by.
The attack Lulzsec ran on PSN gave them access to user's CC info. Pretty sure that makes it a crime. After all, those numbers can cause real debt.

Edit: And some of those numbers could have very well been debit card numbers, as well. No recovering lost cash from that.
Post edited March 08, 2012 by dmetras
The court transcripts are going to be pure gold. A 40 year old with no understanding about how the Internet, photocopiers and central locking works will be the chief prosecutor, the judge will make some ruling based on stuff he knows nothing about, and the lawyer for the accused will blame his client's activities on Twinkie bars or something.
I'm sorry but what did those wallstreet criminals get after they ruined thousands of people's retirement funds, the housing market collapse, and forcing government bailouts?
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chaosbeast: I'm sorry but what did those wallstreet criminals get after they ruined thousands of people's retirement funds, the housing market collapse, and forcing government bailouts?
Uhhh, I think you answered your own question: bailed out.