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Posted June 05, 2013
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Faenrir: So basically you're creating a niche genre just to qualify BG2 to be unbeatable.
Haha in my whole list I basically created a niche genres. I mean, come on, Tribal Management Sim, First Person Puzzle, Adventure/RPG Hybrid...

Personally I can't list games like Morrowind, BG2, Chrono Trigger and Mass Effect in the same catergory. (This reminds me of my internal monologue trying to convince myself that the Batman: Arkham series were RPGs). We have different opinions and that's OK. I doubt there is a correct answer to the OP question anyway.

Thanks for the game recommendations I'll be sure to check some of them out especially the ones here on GOG.
Posted June 08, 2013
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morciu: tony hawk's pro skater 3 for extreme sports with tricks and points and stuff. I love thps 2 way more than 3 but maybe it's just nostalgia or something because 3 added some nice extra combo features.
Hmm I think THPS4 was the best. The franchise went from strength to strength until 4 and then it just went down hill from there! ;)

Best thing about 4? No more time limits ;)

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DRM_free_fan: Hmmm. Should MGS count as stealth/sneaker FPS genre?
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hucklebarry: My understanding is that MGS is a 3rd person game with forced combat? Either way, IMHO, it doesn't touch Thief :p (but this is an opinion thread).
? The entire MG series focus is on stealth. "Advance while hiding from your enemy" or something like that.

I'm not sneering at the Thief trilogy BTW but pointing out that the first Metal Gear came out over a decade before Thief 1.
Post edited June 08, 2013 by DRM_free_fan
Posted June 08, 2013
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morciu: tony hawk's pro skater 3 for extreme sports with tricks and points and stuff. I love thps 2 way more than 3 but maybe it's just nostalgia or something because 3 added some nice extra combo features.
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DRM_free_fan: Hmm I think THPS4 was the best. The franchise went from strength to strength until 4 and then it just went down hill from there! ;)

Best thing about 4? No more time limits ;)

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hucklebarry: My understanding is that MGS is a 3rd person game with forced combat? Either way, IMHO, it doesn't touch Thief :p (but this is an opinion thread).
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DRM_free_fan: ? The entire MG series focus is on stealth. "Advance while hiding from your enemy" or something like that.

I'm not sneering at the Thief trilogy BTW but pointing out that the first Metal Gear came out over a decade before Thief 1.
Yeah I guess you're right, but I sort of liked the lack of time limit while missing the old time limit at the same time.
Posted June 08, 2013
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DRM_free_fan: Hmm I think THPS4 was the best. The franchise went from strength to strength until 4 and then it just went down hill from there! ;)

Best thing about 4? No more time limits ;)
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morciu: Yeah I guess you're right, but I sort of liked the lack of time limit while missing the old time limit at the same time.
Yeah but the lack of time limits meant that you could finally hear the end of the current song LOL
Posted June 08, 2013
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morciu: Yeah I guess you're right, but I sort of liked the lack of time limit while missing the old time limit at the same time.
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DRM_free_fan: Yeah but the lack of time limits meant that you could finally hear the end of the current song LOL
oh man I forgot about that. Hehe, I remember playing the free mode without time limit and I would hear really unfamiliar parts of certain songs I would have never heard before.
Posted June 08, 2013
I vote Mirrors Edge for the longest reign among the niche genre of...um...ah... (how would you describe it? first person platform action? parkour sim? whatever. it reigns amongst its genre - which is not too hard btw as it is the only title in that genre! ;)
Posted June 08, 2013
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DRM_free_fan: I vote Mirrors Edge for the longest reign among the niche genre of...um...ah... (how would you describe it? first person platform action? parkour sim? whatever. it reigns amongst its genre - which is not too hard btw as it is the only title in that genre! ;)
First Person Platformer is what I'd go for. Also, Temple of Elemental Evil is easily the greatest D&D 3.5 rules simulator ever made if we're talking about games that can be shoehorned into their own unique genre.
Post edited June 08, 2013 by ArbitraryWater
Posted June 08, 2013
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DRM_free_fan: I vote Mirrors Edge for the longest reign among the niche genre of...um...ah... (how would you describe it? first person platform action? parkour sim? whatever. it reigns amongst its genre - which is not too hard btw as it is the only title in that genre! ;)
Didn't Brink try to do something along those lines? Not that that makes it any more difficult for Mirror's Edge to be king of that niche :D
Post edited June 08, 2013 by wizardtypething
Posted June 08, 2013
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DRM_free_fan: I vote Mirrors Edge for the longest reign among the niche genre of...um...ah... (how would you describe it? first person platform action? parkour sim? whatever. it reigns amongst its genre - which is not too hard btw as it is the only title in that genre! ;)
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ArbitraryWater: First Person Platformer is what I'd go for. Also, Temple of Elemental Evil is easily the greatest D&D 3.5 rules simulator ever made if we're talking about games that can be shoehorned into their own unique genre.
Yeah I was thinking that the easiest way to win a "longest reign among great games" is to find the most nichest genre titles you can! They'll win by default because they have little to no competition! LOL ;)
Posted July 19, 2013
Greatest Point & Click Adventure = The Secret of Monkey Island (Although personally I'd mark this as 2nd and Broken Sword as 1st)


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TwoHandedSword: Nobody's mentioned Myst?
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hucklebarry: Myst was instrumental in the point and click genre and deserves high honor for what it accomplished in its time (its even still fun today)... but IMHO, its not even in the top 10 when talking about games that reign in the genre.

If the topic were, what games defined their genre?... I would be inclined to pick Myst. But we are specifically talking about games that have not been surpassed by other games. I can't claim that a game without an inventory system or even the ability to move around in the game world outside of hotspot clicking can contend with the tech that has come after.
(Scratches head) Well OK but what surpassed Myst in the Point & Click Puzzle genre?
Post edited July 19, 2013 by DRM_free_fan
Posted July 19, 2013
I'll go with Master of Magic. I've been playing it off and on since the late 90s and have seen many would be successors come along, but nothing quite satisfies my fantasy strategy itch like the original.
Posted July 19, 2013
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Elenarie: Counter Strike for multiplayer FPS (though I guess it has been losing recently to CoD)
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Neobr10: I think COD has taken the multiplayer FPS crown a long time ago.
Nope. Depends how you look at it, but there are many more people playing CS right now than the newest COD.

But the real king seems to be Team Fortress 2 right now. In terms of long-lasting popularity.
Post edited July 19, 2013 by keeveek
Posted July 19, 2013
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DRM_free_fan: I vote Mirrors Edge for the longest reign among the niche genre of...um...ah... (how would you describe it? first person platform action? parkour sim? whatever. it reigns amongst its genre - which is not too hard btw as it is the only title in that genre! ;)
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ArbitraryWater: First Person Platformer is what I'd go for. Also, Temple of Elemental Evil is easily the greatest D&D 3.5 rules simulator ever made if we're talking about games that can be shoehorned into their own unique genre.
Does it not compete with the Portal games as a 1st person platformer though? (or is Portal the king of first person puzzle platformer)
Post edited July 19, 2013 by Fever_Discordia
Posted July 19, 2013
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DRM_free_fan: Greatest Point & Click Adventure = The Secret of Monkey Island (Although personally I'd mark this as 2nd and Broken Sword as 1st)

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hucklebarry: Myst was instrumental in the point and click genre and deserves high honor for what it accomplished in its time (its even still fun today)... but IMHO, its not even in the top 10 when talking about games that reign in the genre.

If the topic were, what games defined their genre?... I would be inclined to pick Myst. But we are specifically talking about games that have not been surpassed by other games. I can't claim that a game without an inventory system or even the ability to move around in the game world outside of hotspot clicking can contend with the tech that has come after.
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DRM_free_fan: (Scratches head) Well OK but what surpassed Myst in the Point & Click Puzzle genre?
Bolded the key part from my quote above. Also:


Syberia
The Longest journey
Dreamfall
Gabriel Knight
Still Life
Broken Sword
Book of Unwritten Tales
Sanitarium

Not even close to covering them all. Additionally, based on reviews, I suspect I could add another 20 or so from games in my backlog, but I won't comment on games I haven't played yet.

Its like asking what games beat Doom... all of them, pretty much. Doom helped define the genre, but its a pretty bland FPS when you compare to the real innovation that took place after it layed the groundwork.
Post edited July 19, 2013 by user deleted
Posted July 19, 2013
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DRM_free_fan: Greatest Point & Click Adventure = The Secret of Monkey Island (Although personally I'd mark this as 2nd and Broken Sword as 1st)

(Scratches head) Well OK but what surpassed Myst in the Point & Click Puzzle genre?
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hucklebarry: Bolded the key part from my quote above. Also:

Syberia
The Longest journey
Dreamfall
Gabriel Knight
Still Life
Broken Sword
Book of Unwritten Tales
Sanitarium

Not even close to covering them all. Additionally, based on reviews, I suspect I could add another 20 or so from games in my backlog, but I won't comment on games I haven't played yet.

Its like asking what games beat Doom... all of them, pretty much. Doom helped define the genre, but its a pretty bland FPS when you compare to the real innovation that took place after it layed the groundwork.
What was the FIRST great point and click though? The first adventure to progress from text to a graphical world you walked around in? Maybe King's Quest even thought it wasn't true point and click yet - it was move with cursor and type commands in when you get there
I wish it was Time Tunnel from the C64 days but that game was sadly underrated and overlooked...

Maniac Mansion was the first SCUMM game (the MM in SCUMM standing for 'Maniac Mansion') so that probably deserves to at least share Monkey Island's crown...
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