Posted June 09, 2014
And in the future when you hate your life and there is nothing you can do about it, I hope you won't be starving or be a kidnapped person in a cage, so someone like you can come along and tell you to STFU and "grow a pair".
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Registered: Sep 2012
From United States
And in the future when you hate your life and there is nothing you can do about it, I hope you won't be starving or be a kidnapped person in a cage, so someone like you can come along and tell you to STFU and "grow a pair".
MaximumBunny
(/(⌐■‿■)
Registered: Apr 2012
From United States
Posted June 09, 2014
Then I said that the rest of us need brass balls and to stop making excuses. I didn't say that starving African children need to grow a pair, but I did imply that people like Nirth just make up things to justify their lack of motivation in life and then hide it behind "intelligent pessimism" and other BS labels.
@('_')@
Registered: Sep 2012
From United States
Posted June 09, 2014
Then I said that the rest of us need brass balls and to stop making excuses. I didn't say that starving African children need to grow a pair, but I did imply that people like Nirth just make up things to justify their lack of motivation in life and then hide it behind "intelligent pessimism" and other BS labels.
Have you ever thought that if someone lacks motivation(sucks at life), they can't help it? Maybe they are depressed? People who suck at life don't need someone coming in here, calling them failures, losers and to grow a pair. That's just trolling really because it doesn't help them in any way whatsoever. And it's just ignorant to think that people shouldn't blame their lack of success on things other than themselves. Life is not that simple. To say otherwise is deeply insulting to so many people in this world too.
Post edited June 09, 2014 by monkeydelarge
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Registered: Sep 2012
From United States
Posted June 09, 2014
My dreams, Hopes and Desires SHATTERED when the doctors told me "You will have to Look after your mother for the rest of your life" when I was just 16 years old it was like they slammed the prison doors shut on my life! I'm always getting there. Getting there always, I don't know where there is but I'm getting there another day another Nail in my coffin, who knows I could be dead tomorrow. I never chose to be born anyway, it just kinda happened. Like how my Mothers Psychosis happened that I helped her overcome.
Like when the kids at High school used to mutilate and Maul me with makeshift weapons and makeshift explosives when I was 13 years old and they were 17 and 18 years old (in Australia we do NOT have Middle school) it's Kindergarten to year 6 then year 7 to year 12 how the Lebanese and Italians used to blow me up shoot me with Nail guns and revolvers and Pretty much tear me to shreds it was fun getting my guts slashed open with a serrated kitchen knife looking at my intestines hanging out of my body threading the slashed Fucking intestines through themselves so I didn't die the ones that were cut longways I just had to leave them alone couldn't even swallow water for at least three to six months my body felt like a dried out HUSK I was so weak yet I still had to wake up in the mornings and go to high school just to be mowed down again and again, Fun anyone! I have a permanently broken shoulder socket that will need physiotherapy when I'm older because someone thought it would be fun to break it at high school.
Then when I was 21 I got my skull shattered by two thugs tanked up on crystal meth and wild turkey bourbon that took off with my mothers pension at 2am because I hadn't eaten anything in a week or slept in a week because I was so hungry and weak and my mother was so mentally ILL that she made me trek to the late night service (gas) station that was 16 kilometers away and I died 3 times on the way to hospital in the ambulance and had my teeth splinering off in my gums for years after until I eventually got most of them removed but have to go back to another dentist because the dentist I was with lanced a nerve cluster in my lower left jawbone at the back that made the whole left side of my body feel like it was gradually being set on fire and left me with serious digestive problems (feels like appendicitis and starts in LOWER RIGHT HAND abdomen but the pain moves around my body can be anywhere at any time)
so yeah I'm getting there I hate my life some days I wish I were DEAD so I don't have to put up with this hideous agony I'm going through, But then I guess I'm being selfish because my mother needs me to run the household like I've been doing for the last 15 odd years!
Post edited June 09, 2014 by monkeydelarge
misteryo
you are required to own on gog
Registered: Sep 2008
From United States
Posted June 09, 2014
Helen Keller. Deaf and blind. Canoed by herself.
MaximumBunny
(/(⌐■‿■)
Registered: Apr 2012
From United States
Posted June 09, 2014
Oh, so you just see it as being mean or unsympathetic. You would be 100% correct then. When you pat these types of people on the back you just encourage them to continue down the same failure road that leads them on. They're not there because they're lonely and just needed you to tell them they could do it. They're there because you didn't tell them they were wrong to quit and how they need to realistically progress to reach their goals. We live in a politically correct world that fears upsetting people and anyone who steps out and says the truth gets labeled as "asshole of the year"/"bullshit comments of the century".
2 different boats. You've already mentioned your medical issues and that's understandable. It does make it more difficult for you to understand the situation too. When you say "life is not that simple", you're actually referring to the many mistakes they've made that built up to an unmanageable scenario. Taking on debts, making poor relationships, and other *choices* that lead them down that road. There are only 2 types of people: those who start out in a sinking boat and those who start in boats with oars. When you're in the latter and you're crying about not traveling as fast or as far as others, of course I'm going to call you out on it.
monkeydelarge: Well according to MaximumBunny, you just suck at life and need to grow a pair because you aren't a starving African or a kidnapped person in a cage. So with this amazing advice <- sarcasm, you should be able to start changing your life, tomorrow. I think he is wrong, of course. fr33k has many medical conditions as well as his mother. Being born into a violent neighborhood would also constitute a serious disadvantage. I sympathize with the disadvantaged (including yourself), while I don't sympathize with the rest. And you seem to have a problem with this, which doesn't bother me one bit.
Like Misteryo brought up, when people come out of a disadvantaged state to success they're quite the inspiration. If you want to let your handicaps define you then go ahead. There will always be someone worse who didn't let that hold them back, and they'll be the ones that people remember.
But when you start crossing that line where all you do is tell people that everything is hopeless and look up as many sad stories as you can to justify yourself being a quitter, that's when you just become a disease that needs to be cut off from the rest. For example, you saying fr33k's life can't get better just because of your mental condition is asinine. I can't tell if you just don't know any better or if you're purposely being a fool.
2 different boats. You've already mentioned your medical issues and that's understandable. It does make it more difficult for you to understand the situation too. When you say "life is not that simple", you're actually referring to the many mistakes they've made that built up to an unmanageable scenario. Taking on debts, making poor relationships, and other *choices* that lead them down that road. There are only 2 types of people: those who start out in a sinking boat and those who start in boats with oars. When you're in the latter and you're crying about not traveling as fast or as far as others, of course I'm going to call you out on it.
Like Misteryo brought up, when people come out of a disadvantaged state to success they're quite the inspiration. If you want to let your handicaps define you then go ahead. There will always be someone worse who didn't let that hold them back, and they'll be the ones that people remember.
But when you start crossing that line where all you do is tell people that everything is hopeless and look up as many sad stories as you can to justify yourself being a quitter, that's when you just become a disease that needs to be cut off from the rest. For example, you saying fr33k's life can't get better just because of your mental condition is asinine. I can't tell if you just don't know any better or if you're purposely being a fool.
Tarnicus
Stormcrow
Registered: May 2011
From Australia
Posted June 09, 2014
Some very interesting perspectives here, which is part of the inspiration for me starting this thread Foolosophy #1 - 'With our thoughts we make the world'
iippo
Slave of economy
Registered: Dec 2008
From Finland
Posted June 09, 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTeypMa8az0
http://lyrics-translations.com/song/show/333617/cmx/lyrics-and-translation-pilvien-kuningas/
CMX - Melankolia "Melancholy" (surprise?)
http://lyricstranslate.com/en/melankolia-melancholy.html
In Finland, when you run all out of beer and booze you can always drink from melancholy and depression. Plenty of both and free of charge too. (i wonder when they start taxing them?)
Think about all the economical possibilties!
http://lyricstranslate.com/en/Baden-baden-Baden-baden.html
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on the very actual topic - i find it very tricky to advice deeply depressed person.
The usual "get fresh air", "start a new hobby", "meet new people", "start running" -sort of advice are ofcourse good and pretty much on spot....except they do not work.
Depressed persons thinking very rarely works that way and apparently well intending advice can even cause more depression. Few times tried to help someone and got pretty much told i was just evil troll. *shrug*
So suppose the best advice then is to direct this person talk to his family and/or friends who are close to him and get professional help. Hiding that stuff is just no-no.
It might also been helpful to *try* to realize that life is not out to get someone personally for whatever reason. Shit-crap happens, but it happens to everyone. Just like the good stuff. However the depressed personal is pretty much blind to the good things he/she has her life:
I for example havent been able to sleep for more than 4-6h in months. There are whole lot of people depending on me, so for years (and many years from now on) my hands are pretty much tied and i cant really do what id personally wish to do with my life. Certainly i *could* walk away from all of this (the choice IS there), but choose not to.
Sometimes some younger people complain about how they have nothing in their lives - i myself wouldnt mind having such clear table at times. Not having people, house loans, jobs and such tieing you down to one place has some certain über advantages which are not obvious until you lose them.
Post edited June 10, 2014 by iippo
Nirth
Songs of Conquest
Registered: Oct 2010
From Other
Posted June 10, 2014
Get it now?
MaximumBunny
(/(⌐■‿■)
Registered: Apr 2012
From United States
@('_')@
Registered: Sep 2012
From United States
Posted June 10, 2014
2 different boats. You've already mentioned your medical issues and that's understandable. It does make it more difficult for you to understand the situation too. When you say "life is not that simple", you're actually referring to the many mistakes they've made that built up to an unmanageable scenario. Taking on debts, making poor relationships, and other *choices* that lead them down that road. There are only 2 types of people: those who start out in a sinking boat and those who start in boats with oars. When you're in the latter and you're crying about not traveling as fast or as far as others, of course I'm going to call you out on it.
Like Misteryo brought up, when people come out of a disadvantaged state to success they're quite the inspiration. If you want to let your handicaps define you then go ahead. There will always be someone worse who didn't let that hold them back, and they'll be the ones that people remember.
But when you start crossing that line where all you do is tell people that everything is hopeless and look up as many sad stories as you can to justify yourself being a quitter, that's when you just become a disease that needs to be cut off from the rest. For example, you saying fr33k's life can't get better just because of your mental condition is asinine. I can't tell if you just don't know any better or if you're purposely being a fool.
2. Calling people who "suck at life", calling them "losers" and "failures". Saying they need to "grow a pair" is 100% pointless if you are trying to help people. You think they don't fucking know? Every second of everyday reminds them that they suck at life. Rubbing that shit in their face without lifting one finger to help them is counter productive too because it just makes people more depressed and more like pieces of shit. Like I said earlier, your words were basically trolling. Don't fucking try to pretend you were trying to help these people.
3. Being realistic(smarter than you) makes me a disease that needs to be cut off from the rest? I can say the same about dumb assholes like you who make people feel like garbage and then pretends it is for their own good. I shit on people like you.
4. I never said fr33k's life can't get better. Of course, it can get better. It depends on his destiny. Stop jumping to all these stupid assumptions about me for the sake of your argument. In other words, cut the bullshit out.
Post edited June 10, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Telika
Registered: Apr 2012
From Switzerland
Posted June 10, 2014
2 different boats. You've already mentioned your medical issues and that's understandable. It does make it more difficult for you to understand the situation too. When you say "life is not that simple", you're actually referring to the many mistakes they've made that built up to an unmanageable scenario. Taking on debts, making poor relationships, and other *choices* that lead them down that road. There are only 2 types of people: those who start out in a sinking boat and those who start in boats with oars. When you're in the latter and you're crying about not traveling as fast or as far as others, of course I'm going to call you out on it.
fr33k has many medical conditions as well as his mother. Being born into a violent neighborhood would also constitute a serious disadvantage. I sympathize with the disadvantaged (including yourself), while I don't sympathize with the rest. And you seem to have a problem with this, which doesn't bother me one bit.
Like Misteryo brought up, when people come out of a disadvantaged state to success they're quite the inspiration. If you want to let your handicaps define you then go ahead. There will always be someone worse who didn't let that hold them back, and they'll be the ones that people remember.
But when you start crossing that line where all you do is tell people that everything is hopeless and look up as many sad stories as you can to justify yourself being a quitter, that's when you just become a disease that needs to be cut off from the rest. For example, you saying fr33k's life can't get better just because of your mental condition is asinine. I can't tell if you just don't know any better or if you're purposely being a fool.
2. Calling people who "suck at life", calling them "losers" and "failures". Saying they need to "grow a pair" is 100% pointless if you are trying to help people. You think they don't fucking know? Rubbing that shit in their face is counter productive. Like I said earlier, it is basically trolling. Don't fucking try to pretend you were trying to help these people.
3. Being realistic makes me a disease that needs to be cut off from the rest? I can say the same about assholes like you who makes people feel like garbage and then pretends it is for their own good.
4. I never said fr33k's life can't get better. Of course, it can get better. It depends on his destiny. Stop jumping to all these stupid assumptions about me for the sake of your argument. In other words, cut the bullshit out.
Best ignore such people, and leave them to their delusions of grandeur, human value, and moral respectability. They are a mild background nagging annoyance (when they don't vote for further increased inequalities, that is), and while they are unhelpful to anyone (as their only way to feel superior is to push the unluckiest downwards), they still are a useful reminder that, whatever your situation, the kind of person you are is more important, and a more valid source of self-esteem, than what you are facing. They are a more efficient "at least i am not this" consolation than whatever worst-case-scenario hardship they use as a pseudo-relativist excuse...
Post edited June 10, 2014 by Telika
toxicTom
Big Daddy
Registered: Feb 2009
From Germany
Posted June 10, 2014
Sometimes some younger people complain about how they have nothing in their lives - i myself wouldnt mind having such clear table at times. Not having people, house loans, jobs and such tieing you down to one place has some certain über advantages which are not obvious until you lose them.
Still I feel very much stuck working my ass off and finding time for the family. There's so much I would like to do - but can't for lack of time and money. Sometimes I feel something is shriveling inside for lack of attention and depression and burn out just lurk behind the next corner.
But then there are great days when a project makes progress and the kids are just pure gold and everything works out - and then I'm reminded why I'm doing all this.
Post edited June 10, 2014 by toxicTom
@('_')@
Registered: Sep 2012
From United States
Posted June 10, 2014
Sometimes some younger people complain about how they have nothing in their lives - i myself wouldnt mind having such clear table at times. Not having people, house loans, jobs and such tieing you down to one place has some certain über advantages which are not obvious until you lose them.
Still I feel very much stuck working my ass off and finding time for the family. There's so much I would like to do - but can't for lack of time and money. Sometimes I feel something is shriveling inside for lack of attention and depression and burn out just lurk behind the next corner.
But then there are great days when a project makes progress and the kids are just pure gold and everything works out - and then I'm reminded why I'm doing all this.
Post edited June 10, 2014 by monkeydelarge
toxicTom
Big Daddy
Registered: Feb 2009
From Germany
Posted June 10, 2014
But I'm curious, I've come across multiple flavours of destiny-belief, care to elaborate yours?
I believe that the world around me (Germany that is) slowly descends into social darwinism. The interhuman climate has cooled down considerably in the last 20 years or so. The kiss-up-kick-down principle rules all layers of society. Those who panickedly work their ass off for minimum for fear of losing their job and living from meager welfare are the first to blame those poor welfare dependent sods for having too much and only being lazy. While the truth is that those people are forced to apply for any job at almost any condition and this is pushing the wages down.
Social envy is all the rage, but the perversion is that the working people envy the poor instead of looking where all that surplus goes that they are creating.