IAmSinistar: Possibly Haysus, if Jesus is being meta. Personally I like to assume it stands for Hockeystick, since old folks around here didn't like to say "Hell" when swearing, so they changed it to "H-E-Double Hockeysticks". And the religious art (mis)portrayals of Jesus show him with gorgeous flowing blonde hockey hair, so you get that linkage too.

xyem: Now, the people who buy a bundle, use the direct download for themselves and give a Desura key to one person and a Steam key to another.. well, that can be a really low move in my opinion (especially if they trade them away).

Randalator: There are many ways for HB to address the issue on their own.

– Don't give out individual keys
That's what they used to do and gave up. They knew very well why people wanted individual keys and yet they obliged. It's a bit two-faced to go "Yeah, we know that you want individual keys so that you can give unneeded ones to others. So here you go but please don't give them to others.". To be able to pass on individual keys is precisely the reason why people wanted them in the first place. If you don't want individual keys passed on, don't provide individual keys. It's that simple.

– Make customers choose between DRM free and a single bundle Steam key
Another big "problem" are customers who are content with the DRM free download and pass on their Steam keys. Again, very easy to solve on the side of HB: Don't give out two for the price of one. DRM free OR Steam bundle key, not both. There, problem solved. No more gifting unused Steam keys. And all without brow-beating or guilt-tripping third parties into enforcing your TOS that you seem unbothered to enforce yourself.

And that's not even touching the logistical nightmare that is checking every single Steam key offered on GOG for a potential HB origin.

thebum06: So, what you're advocating is that Humble Bundle start treating their customers as people who can't be trusted. But isn't that the kind of behavior DRM-free proponents speak up against?

keeveek: Why would anyone need a separate key if not for sharing?

thebum06: So, what you're advocating is that Humble Bundle start treating their customers as people who can't be trusted. But isn't that the kind of behavior DRM-free proponents speak up against?

keeveek: Why would anyone need a separate key if not for sharing?

keeveek: I can see no reason whatsoever why GOG should enforce Humble Bundle's TOS. Not a single one.

amok: You are deflecting the question - which was: So, what you're advocating is that Humble Bundle start treating their customers as people who can't be trusted. But isn't that the kind of behavior DRM-free proponents speak up against? DRM free games can be shared. If the sellers of DRM free games do not want this, they would just add DRM to them. Selling DRM free games means that they want people to share them.

Randalator: Oh look, a strawman.
No, I'm advocating HB to use their brains.

If I'm selling cars, I'm not throwing in a second, differently colored car with every purchase in case the customer might like that one better, and then hope that they don't give it to someone else. Would you tell a car salesman, who doesn't give you an additional Steam-colored car (or even a third Desura-colored one) with you already purchased car, that he has trust issues? Are you saying that GOG doesn't trust its customers because they don't offer additional Steam keys on the honour system?

Why do you hate on GOG?

Randalator: You in turn didn't answer the much more interesting question why HB isn't simply offering the choice between DRM free download OR Steam/Desura key. Most people don't even read the ToS and to those it looks like HB is giving out two or even three individual copies with every purchase.

Not even a single copy that they would than have to duplicate (= bad thing), but two or three actually individual copies that for some reason you're not supposed to give away even though you'll ever only need one. That's more than just trusting you customer...

Randalator: But still the question must be asked: Why does HB create that opportunity in the first place?

xyem: I presume for the same reason they have a DRM-free focus: Better customer experience.

It's nice and simple to buy the bundle, it's nice and simple to redeem the games on other services if you want.

Making it so you have to choose what services you want and then change it later if you decide to try Steam/Desura would make it more complicated (not much more, but more).

At this point, I'm guessing the developers are aware this goes on and are okay with it to some degree, otherwise they wouldn't take part.[1]

EDIT: [1] which might explain the slowdown in HIBs being produced.

thebum06: Depends on how far you want to take it. If your analogy is taken one step further, it could easily say that companies who add DRM to their games do not have trust issues.