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This is my favourite topic
Posted July 18, 2013
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morciu: I would appreciate if GOG spent their time on other things and I think the majority including myself couldn't give a less of a poop about the topic.

also here's a key for Cortex Command

NRQZT-AXH7C-33KAH
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maycett: See my post in the ninja thread ;)

Edit: actually, I'll put them here too

Madballs in babo invasion (bundle of the undead)
4ECP0-Z08JR-26G6B

Madballs in babo invasion dlcs (bundle of the undead)
4JQ8X-5N3B8-ZQ70J

Necrovision lost company (bundle of the undead)
EAVTE-I43RZ-MEDQ8

8-bit commando (retro groupee)
NL9K3-HSC1P-CAMMR-3UZGB-CDE42

Paranautical activity (be mine 8)
IDBGR-C08EM-OFZN3-UG1ZH-V87UD

Dawnstar (build a bundle 5)
J2VZM-EV1LW-EXU7N-NHRF3-XM61Y

Oozi earth adventure (build a greenlight bundle)
16438854-bc74-43fd-b84a-c348ad15f6f1

Rjin the specpyre in manor of the damned (the bundle of the damned groupee)
GRPS-0-5F1ML-7S3CQ-705CJ

Neo scavenger (be mine 5)
HL9V7-464RG-Z6QW0-OR4OU-89HHM

Eufloria (humble bundle for android 4)
NQKJM-CXAB6-N4TVC

Red faction armageddon path to war dlc (humble thq bundle)
KFMYM-XRH3Q-CKZ6G

Titan quest (humble thq bundle)
XBBET-FI5NZ-4V8RH

Binding of Isaac + Wrath of the lamb (HIB 7)
KWA0G-6KVVD-3WALK

Offspring fling (HIB 7)
A6GJD-Q7FI3-GY9WK

Beat hazard ultra (humble bundle with android 5)
E9NIX-C5VZ9-39AF0

Nightsky (humble bundle with android 5)
F5VNI-LR3BE-9DNLK

Super brothers sword & sworcery ep (humble bundle with android 5)
8T4G2-R2886-YT5IX

Splice (humble bundle with android 5)
YYNCW-NH3EZ-LRXQ9

Crayon physics deluxe (humble bundle with android 5)
L7QQI-JEXNX-PJ8F6

Red faction Armageddon (humble weekly sale thq)
WBEGQ-4944M-WWNAR

Red faction Armageddon path to war dlc (humble weekly sale thq)
T4BYE-WYTMF-GXTE3

Darksiders (humble weekly sale thq)
PN79R-2HZI4-JW5E5

Red orchestra (humble weekly sale tripwire)
04FLZ-LDN7P-26CD2

Oil rush (HIB 8)
R5KNDRQDQD2BETXL

Puzzle agent (july jubilee bundle)
6FBL2-40EQ6-IPJ86

Geneforge saga 1-5 (july jubilee bundle)
7BYXD-P0259-A3YJF

Hector badge of carnage (oktoberfest bundle)
5WCL6-G97LL-8ZRVA

Avernum trials trilogy (harvest bundle)
7YTQM-D3ENT-73QK3

Hinterland (snow storm bundle)
57TQG-2YH6C-F6INP

Roboblitz (snow storm bundle)
PDKRN-N4XRR-VDL9P

Swords & soldiers (back to school bundle)
4FLKQ-JPC8J-ZBNDF

Bit.trip runner (winter bundle)
3274C-LFFY0-FQCHM

Serious sam 3 bfe (valentines bundle 2.0)
CXBWA-D984Z-39M6W

Doc clock the toasted sandwich of time (valentines bundle 2.0)
7GR8X-V2CKL-PVX0B

Numen contest of heroes (build a bundle 6)
28WBK-3TCRW-I2TDV

Nikopol secrets of the immortals (build a meridian4 bundle part 2)
9KQYP-2Y7QT-NAN9H

Pacific storm allies (build a meridian4 bundle part 2)
PN8YX-N5CQ0-REXQ7

Post apocalyptic mayhem (build a meridian4 bundle part 2)
ALVDZ-WNHLL-IA9BE

Syberia (build a meridian4 bundle part 2)
F5E44-5P4QK-83XML

Syberia 2 (build a meridian4 bundle part 2)
FFB6X-HL04H-KTR55

Trapped dead (build a meridian4 bundle part 2)
A2RBX-PPTZY-06M7X

Wasteland angel (build a meridian4 bundle part 2)
9FPVQ-TEA3I-DMT80

Karateka (be mine 8)
42J94-YTI03-CZXGF

Geneforge saga (build a bundle 5)
CI92L-8DQXX-CJ5LH

Resonance (wadjet eye groupee)
2ET9H-7ZXY0-JILX9

Galactic arms race (be mine anniversary)
59H6L-JBFX8-FZJXX

Adventures of shuggy (be mine anniversary)
AJD2A-BQCBE-7NDXL

Insecticide Ep 1 (build a bundle 4)
GA0Q5-RGKV9-HWDG2

Robin hood (build a bundle 4)
0HHPH-62WLK-GMBWP

King’s bounty the legend (be mine 5)
0MRZ4-CVQZV-FNA9M

Kung fu strike (be mine 5)
4JWPA-GPAVQ-IEAQ2

X-blades (be mine 5)
0H34Z-B6P2P-PDDVZ

Avencast (build a bundle 3)
8B4ZE-6TT6J-9G0AN

Syberia ii (build a bundle 2)
2YZ02-IGXAX-T7FLI

DLCs (be mine indie game bundle)
JGMC0-Z6WEJ-AA2NX

Post apocalyptic mayhem (be mine indie game bundle)
D3MTN-X44QV-LQH5R

Beat hazard (indiegala 5)
34X4K-PHAWL-XNF9K

Uplink (indiegala colossus)
2PI0Z-IDBMK-WZ27D

Europa universalis iii (indiegala dwarves)
KXW89-H7GJW-AJW8N

Patrician iv + rise of a dynasty dlc (indiegala dungeons)
65EXZ-YN7D7-ZH0HN

Dungeons the dark lord (indiegala dungeons)
5ZFB3-5VXIB-9RDE3

Oil rush +DLC + OST (indiegala summer dream)
3WDTGS653Z2PV3JX

Vessel (indiegala june)
447P7-493AQ-EHQXX

Edna & Harvey harvey’s new eyes (indiegala june)
42N6E-K3PZC-VJCYC

Crusader kings complete (indiegala june)
8WLCV-FZEMA-80V55

Rochard (humble weekly sale rochard)
3R0AI-28HVQ-THEZA

Gemini rue (bundle in a box adventure bundle)
YNZKR-V9X8K-W5MRX

Ben there dan that + time gentlemen please (bundle in a box adventure bundle)
IL66K-GQVJ0-ZQGEX

The adventures of shuggy (bundle in a box eclectic delights bundle)
F6H2B-VWBN6-ZWB92

Gemini rue (bundle in a box adventure bundle)
KGCSP-OT5BW-GZAE8-DCPHH-AFOEW

Shadows on the Vatican act I (bundle in a box eclectic delights bundle)
UQ2SZ-NQK3Z-T65RN-TCL7A-J75HQ

The adventures of shuggy (bundle in a box eclectic delights bundle)
IOZXM-ENL4X-K7SU2-HJDN0-INOAY

Fibrillation (indiegala colossus)
GX1S5-YAUEX-W5FMD-2M49P-90UAW

Cardinal quest (indiegala mobile)
H4INY-TFCLL-HM9X2-FLWMH-VQLV3
Wow, that was beautiful!
Posted July 18, 2013
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maycett: snip
This will put you in jail for good!
Posted July 18, 2013
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tinyE: What?
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jamyskis: No, you're not the messiah, you're a very naughty boy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kewfy5pMeWA
Posted July 18, 2013
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maycett: snip
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keeveek: This will put you in jail for good!
I can only plead that I have poor impulse control.
Posted July 18, 2013
Back to topic: GoG has already expressed a 'blue' opinion on this matter: http://www.gog.com/forum/general/to_giveaway_or_not_to_giveaway/post13

And I agree. Splitting up the bundles and giving away keys that you bought as a unit is a violation of the agreement you made when buying the bundle (called terms of service) and is as such not a nice thing to do. We all want DRM free games. So we all should also act accordingly in a way that makes DRM unnecessary. And that means respecting the rules that the seller sets when selling the games. (Like not 'sharing' the games and not splitting the bundles).
Posted July 18, 2013
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Lifthrasil: And I agree. Splitting up the bundles and giving away keys that you bought as a unit is a violation of the agreement you made when buying the bundle (called terms of service) and is as such not a nice thing to do. We all want DRM free games. So we all should also act accordingly in a way that makes DRM unnecessary. And that means respecting the rules that the seller sets when selling the games. (Like not 'sharing' the games and not splitting the bundles).
You would be surprised how many ToS's you've violated in the course of your life. Why crying over this particular one?

And while I agree this is a violation of their ToS, this is not a reason for GOG to censor their forums. Unless Humble guys start paying GOG for enforcing their ToS.
Posted July 18, 2013
I´m with Amok.

As posted by Lifthrasil at this topic: http://www.gog.com/forum/general/to_giveaway_or_not_to_giveaway/page1
"The whole DRM-free policy ONLY works on a code-of-honour base."
If we can keep breaking this reliable relation, this one could not continue in DRM free. Maybe HB will take procedures to put some DRM. And here is where GOG enters. Again, is a reliable relation. If GOG feels that not worth anymore putting DRM free games on sale, they could change the whole thing. And personally, I suspect that HB is not pleased with what have been happening, because the Steam keys costs a significant amount to them.

EDIT: Ninja´ed by Lifthrasil!
Post edited July 18, 2013 by tokisto
Posted July 18, 2013
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keeveek: You would be surprised how many ToS's you've violated in the course of your life. Why crying over this particular one?
Because DRM-free games are something that is important to me. And in the long run 'DRM-free' only works if the customers play by the rules. The argument for DRM-free is always something like 'stop treating us as if we can't be trusted.' While the argument FOR DRM is 'customers can't be trusted'. ... So if you keep proving that customers can't be trusted after all (because they give a shit about the rules of the purchase) you are playing into the hands of those that want to enforce DRM.


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keeveek: And while I agree this is a violation of their ToS, this is not a reason for GOG to censor their forums.
I never requested that they do that. I just suggested that everyone who likes the DRM-free ideal starts to behave accordingly and stops to hand out keys from split bundles. Of course GoG will and should never censor their forum in that respect (that would be a kind of DRM again). But I hope that the majority of the GoG users are mature and responsible enough to see that violating the rules of a company that adheres to the DRM-free idea is just not a nice thing to do. (And in the long run even detrimental to the 'DRM-free' cause)
Posted July 18, 2013
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Lifthrasil: I never requested that they do that. I just suggested that everyone who likes the DRM-free ideal starts to behave accordingly and stops to hand out keys from split bundles. Of course GoG will and should never censor their forum in that respect (that would be a kind of DRM again). But I hope that the majority of the GoG users are mature and responsible enough to see that violating the rules of a company that adheres to the DRM-free idea is just not a nice thing to do. (And in the long run even detrimental to the 'DRM-free' cause)
It happened again :D I was arguing with a guy I agree with :D
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tokisto: I´m with Amok.

As posted by Lifthrasil at this topic: http://www.gog.com/forum/general/to_giveaway_or_not_to_giveaway/page1
"The whole DRM-free policy ONLY works on a code-of-honour base."
If we can keep breaking this reliable relation, this one could not continue in DRM free. Maybe HB will take procedures to put some DRM. And here is where GOG enters. Again, is a reliable relation. If GOG feels that not worth anymore putting DRM free games on sale, they could change the whole thing. And personally, I suspect that HB is not pleased with what have been happening, because the Steam keys costs a significant amount to them.

EDIT: Ninja´ed by Lifthrasil!
Nah, HIB is actually making more money thanks to this. While I agree this isn't good for DRM-free idea in general, because it hurts the devs, it doesn't hurt HIB at all. This is why they started giving separate keys, because they know that. And indie devs are cool with that as long as they earn some bigger numbers.

Long term, giving away bundle keys may be harmful, but for now, the boat stays afloat.

At the same time, I asked groupees guys deliberately if they are ok with me giving a single key to my friend, and they told me "of course you can", so it seems like the only guys that aren't supporting keys sharing are HIB guys.
Post edited July 18, 2013 by keeveek
Posted July 18, 2013
Honestly, I think if the bundles really wanted/needed to enforce this "rule", then they wouldn't give you separate keys in the first place. Of course they're going to say that they'd rather you bought several copies instead of splitting one copy. More copies sold=more money for them. That's just good business sense. Would you listen to your local supermarket if they told you that you shouldn't split a pack of chips with your friends, but should each buy a separate pack? I'm sure if they'd love it if they could do that.

Also, I hugely resent people trying to push their moral values onto others. About GOG's verdict on this? I honestly think they never had a place in this conversation. I suppose I'll respect their opinion on their own site and not post (any more) bundle keys here. But I'll just do steamgifts giveaways instead. I never used to tbh, hence why I had such a large collection of spare bundle keys, but I will from now on consider it each time a little protest against people who would try to regulate what I'd do with my own stuff :)
Post edited July 18, 2013 by maycett
Posted July 18, 2013
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tinyE: I'd like whoever derepped me to kindly prove that I'm not Jesus Christ. As soon as you fail to do so I'd like my points back, thank you. :D
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Mentao: It is easy, let me see your birth certificate, if it says your first name is Jesus and middle name is Christ, then you are Jesus Christ, however, being named Jesus Christ doesn't make you THE Jesus Christ we Catholics are waiting for.
Just wanted to clarify, Christ is a title, not a name.

And according to popular swearing, Jesus's middle name begins with H.
Posted July 18, 2013
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tokisto: I´m with Amok.

As posted by Lifthrasil at this topic: http://www.gog.com/forum/general/to_giveaway_or_not_to_giveaway/page1
"The whole DRM-free policy ONLY works on a code-of-honour base."
If we can keep breaking this reliable relation, this one could not continue in DRM free. Maybe HB will take procedures to put some DRM. And here is where GOG enters. Again, is a reliable relation. If GOG feels that not worth anymore putting DRM free games on sale, they could change the whole thing. And personally, I suspect that HB is not pleased with what have been happening, because the Steam keys costs a significant amount to them.

EDIT: Ninja´ed by Lifthrasil!
There are many ways for HB to address the issue on their own.

– Don't give out individual keys
That's what they used to do and gave up. They knew very well why people wanted individual keys and yet they obliged. It's a bit two-faced to go "Yeah, we know that you want individual keys so that you can give unneeded ones to others. So here you go but please don't give them to others.". To be able to pass on individual keys is precisely the reason why people wanted them in the first place. If you don't want individual keys passed on, don't provide individual keys. It's that simple.

– Make customers choose between DRM free and a single bundle Steam key
Another big "problem" are customers who are content with the DRM free download and pass on their Steam keys. Again, very easy to solve on the side of HB: Don't give out two for the price of one. DRM free OR Steam bundle key, not both. There, problem solved. No more gifting unused Steam keys. And all without brow-beating or guilt-tripping third parties into enforcing your TOS that you seem unbothered to enforce yourself.


And that's not even touching the logistical nightmare that is checking every single Steam key offered on GOG for a potential HB origin.
Post edited July 18, 2013 by Randalator
Posted July 18, 2013
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IAmSinistar: And according to popular swearing, Jesus's middle name begins with H.
oh, by the way, can you ellaborate? I always wondered what that H. was standing for in Jesus H. Christ...
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Randalator: That's what they used to do and gave up. They knew very well why people wanted individual keys and yet they obliged. It's a bit two-faced to go "Yeah, we know that you want individual keys so that you can pass on unneeded ones to others. So here you go but please don't pass them on to others.". To be able to pass on individual keys is precisely the reason why people wanted them in the first place. If you don't want individual keys passed on, don't provide individual keys. It's that simple.
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Post edited July 18, 2013 by keeveek
Posted July 18, 2013
There are a few situations where I would regard sharing codes as.. okay.

For example, you purchased Game X on Steam (instance #0) and then later down the line got a Steam key for Game X in a bundle (instance #1). Let's say in this example, you only got Steam keys from the bundle (no direct downloads or anything).

You could view this situation in such a way that by purchasing another license from the bundle, the bundle license becomes the license you use and the original license has been changed into a giftable key.

A little mental gymnastics, sure, but an understandable position to take, I think.[1]

Now, the people who buy a bundle, use the direct download for themselves and give a Desura key to one person and a Steam key to another.. well, that can be a really low move in my opinion (especially if they trade them away).

[1] A position I don't take myself for I am a dragon and \o_hoard ALL the keys!
Posted July 18, 2013
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amok: This is a DD store which is built on establishing trust with the customer, respecting them and asking for their respect in turn. It therefore saddens me to see givaways such as this: http://www.gog.com/forum/general/to_giveaway_or_not_to_giveaway being
And why exactly does that specific giveaway sadden you? I made that (non-)giveaway to see exactly what others felt about. And ultimately I did decide not to give away the extra keys.
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