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tinyE: I'd like whoever derepped me to kindly prove that I'm not Jesus Christ. As soon as you fail to do so I'd like my points back, thank you. :D
It is easy, let me see your birth certificate, if it says your first name is Jesus and middle name is Christ, then you are Jesus Christ, however, being named Jesus Christ doesn't make you THE Jesus Christ we Catholics are waiting for.

Unless, of course, you can walk on water, multiply bread and fishes, heal wounds and diseases (of other people of course, not your own), and raise people from death, and also resurrect, of course.

BTW, on topic, to the OP: Not everything that is illegal is wrong and not everything that is legal is right.
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tinyE: I'd like whoever derepped me to kindly prove that I'm not Jesus Christ. As soon as you fail to do so I'd like my points back, thank you. :D
+1, for making us laugh:)
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tinyE: I'd like whoever derepped me to kindly prove that I'm not Jesus Christ. As soon as you fail to do so I'd like my points back, thank you. :D
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Mentao: It is easy, let me see your birth certificate, if it says your first name is Jesus and middle name is Christ, then you are Jesus Christ, however, being named Jesus Christ doesn't make you THE Jesus Christ we Catholics are waiting for.

Unless, of course, you can walk on water, multiply bread and fishes, heal wounds and diseases (of other people of course, not your own), and raise people from death, and also resurrect, of course.

BTW, on topic, to the OP: Not everything that is illegal is wrong and not everything that is legal is right.
Why would his MIDDLE name need to be Christ? What would his last name be then? Jesus Christ Gretsky? Jesus Christ Warhol? Jesus Christ Patton? Jesus Christ Jesus-Christ!?! MADNESS!!!!

In any case I will say it's an issue, though the issue comes with how the law works or is presumed to work, as digital licensing is still a very difficult topic of debate.
These are very tricky issues and I'm not one to tell anyone else what to do. But I would like if people would consider the side of the devs and the long-term effects of sharing "extra" keys before doing it. Giving keys to someone who wasn't going to buy the game anyway isn't probably going to be harmful to anyone. Giving keys to someone to introduce them to a new genre or series might even be a good deal to everyone. But playing the DRM-free version youself, and giving away the keys to someone who could have bought the game with their own money...?

It's possible this kind of practice could have an effect on how willing game devs will be to make bundles, or give away both a DRM-free version and keys, so it's not just an issue of what's good for game devs.
I am really done discussing this topic with the community, we have done so in length before. I have just done what I should have done to start with - asked for gog's policy. A lot of aggravation would have been bypassed if I had done so.

To address a few point which seemed to cause confusion:
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IAmSinistar: snip
I was not even aware of it.

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groze: snip
Piracy is your logical jump, I am not talking about piracy at all here. (at least a pirate is honest about what he do)
edit - you might find this post interesting:
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/i_give_up_completely_legit_and_ethical_giveaway_honestly_i_kid_you_not_no_sir_my_conscience/post66

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Bigs: snip
It has everything to do with gog - this is their private forum. it is for this reason you do not find links to for example abandonware sites here (gog asks us kindly to not do so). It is their prerogative what is and what is not accepted here.
Post edited July 18, 2013 by amok
I respect the wishes of Humble Bundle and Indie Royale and don't give away separate keys, nor try to win separate keys if I assume they come from these bundles. However I still get annoyed when I buy a bundle and already have many of the games, and I'm not allowed to give the spares. I also occasionally bought Groupee bundles specifically because I could give keys from them.

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Kurina: This is probably one of the better points for GOG not to police this kind of behavior. Unless the post specifically states where the codes come from, how on earth will they even begin to know? As mentioned above, games cross over between multiple bundles, so the key could have easily come from a place that does allow sharing.
Sometimes it's clear, sometimes it's not. It's often easy to guess, given that many time games are given away while a bundle is running or shortly thereafter. Though I assume that if this was policed then some people would simply switch to lying about the origin of the codes or simply not making it clear.
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Foxhack: ... are you STILL going on about this?

Jesus Christ
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Vitek: Why not? It's still an issue.
We have different definitions of the word "issue".

I can see no reason whatsoever why GOG should enforce Humble Bundle's TOS. Not a single one.
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Fictionvision: People complained about the keys being given away when it was just one big key (Plus a separate key for bonuses.). So if Humble themselves thought of it as a big problem, I think they would have realized moving to separate keys wouldn't have made it any better.
This is true. They started giving individual keys EXACTLY because people want to share them. They are aware of that, they are actually are making money on this. Many people wouldn't buy HIB if it wasn't for separate keys.

They are all officialy "We don't approve this", but they are aware of the procedure, they are doing nothing to prevent that and they are silently even supporting that.
Post edited July 18, 2013 by keeveek
GoG have given me response, thank you very much!

To keep things open, here it is:

"Hello, my superior just wrote a response in that thread.
It is not our primary task to police key sharing on our forums, but we will address such occurrences when we notice them. We don't want to block threads or even accounts over this, but we will show that we think partial key sharing is unfair.

Regards,
XXXXXXX
GOG.com Support"

The forum post is found here: http://www.gog.com/forum/general/to_giveaway_or_not_to_giveaway/post13

and it states:

"HB codes are intended for personal use only, so I would say hog all the games.

For one thing, their offers are bundles, after all, and you wouldn't be able to get these games separately for whatever it was that you paid. To quote their FAQ: "Please consider your bundle a 'unit'."
Second... At the end of the day, "Each purchase is intended for use by one individual" is a pretty concrete message, and I'm sure its Terms of Service equivalent doesn't offer any wiggle room for exceptions."

I would like to thank GoG for this very quick response.
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Coincidentally they just sent me a reply to my letter too.

"Hello, stop sending us naked pictures of Walter Cronkite. It's both disgusting and (given that he's dead) disrespectful.

Regards,
XXXXXXX
GOG.com Support"
Most sites will not only moderate posts for doing this, they will ban accounts for repeat offenders.

GOG is trying to convince the world that its safe to let their games be sold here because people will buy the games rather than pirate them... but when the forums are filled with illegal game codes, how does one make that sale to the other companies?

I would have no problems, and even encourage, GOG to take a more firm stance against this. As they have said twice now... they see their competitors as pirates... So, they are letting their competitors post free codes on their own site.
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tinyE: Coincidentally they just sent me a reply to my letter too.

"Hello, stop sending us naked pictures of Walter Cronkite. It's both disgusting and (given that he's dead) disrespectful.

Regards,
XXXXXXX
GOG.com Support"
LOL :D
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I would appreciate if GOG spent their time on other things and I think the majority including myself couldn't give a less of a poop about the topic.

also here's a key for Cortex Command

NRQZT-AXH7C-33KAH
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morciu: I would appreciate if GOG spent their time on other things and I think the majority including myself couldn't give a less of a poop about the topic.

also here's a key for Cortex Command

NRQZT-AXH7C-33KAH
See my post in the ninja thread ;)

Edit: actually, I'll put them here too

Madballs in babo invasion (bundle of the undead)
4ECP0-Z08JR-26G6B

Madballs in babo invasion dlcs (bundle of the undead)
4JQ8X-5N3B8-ZQ70J

Necrovision lost company (bundle of the undead)
EAVTE-I43RZ-MEDQ8

8-bit commando (retro groupee)
NL9K3-HSC1P-CAMMR-3UZGB-CDE42

Paranautical activity (be mine 8)
IDBGR-C08EM-OFZN3-UG1ZH-V87UD

Dawnstar (build a bundle 5)
J2VZM-EV1LW-EXU7N-NHRF3-XM61Y

Oozi earth adventure (build a greenlight bundle)
16438854-bc74-43fd-b84a-c348ad15f6f1

Rjin the specpyre in manor of the damned (the bundle of the damned groupee)
GRPS-0-5F1ML-7S3CQ-705CJ

Neo scavenger (be mine 5)
HL9V7-464RG-Z6QW0-OR4OU-89HHM

Eufloria (humble bundle for android 4)
NQKJM-CXAB6-N4TVC

Red faction armageddon path to war dlc (humble thq bundle)
KFMYM-XRH3Q-CKZ6G

Titan quest (humble thq bundle)
XBBET-FI5NZ-4V8RH

Binding of Isaac + Wrath of the lamb (HIB 7)
KWA0G-6KVVD-3WALK

Offspring fling (HIB 7)
A6GJD-Q7FI3-GY9WK

Beat hazard ultra (humble bundle with android 5)
E9NIX-C5VZ9-39AF0

Nightsky (humble bundle with android 5)
F5VNI-LR3BE-9DNLK

Super brothers sword & sworcery ep (humble bundle with android 5)
8T4G2-R2886-YT5IX

Splice (humble bundle with android 5)
YYNCW-NH3EZ-LRXQ9

Crayon physics deluxe (humble bundle with android 5)
L7QQI-JEXNX-PJ8F6

Red faction Armageddon (humble weekly sale thq)
WBEGQ-4944M-WWNAR

Red faction Armageddon path to war dlc (humble weekly sale thq)
T4BYE-WYTMF-GXTE3

Darksiders (humble weekly sale thq)
PN79R-2HZI4-JW5E5

Red orchestra (humble weekly sale tripwire)
04FLZ-LDN7P-26CD2

Oil rush (HIB 8)
R5KNDRQDQD2BETXL

Puzzle agent (july jubilee bundle)
6FBL2-40EQ6-IPJ86

Geneforge saga 1-5 (july jubilee bundle)
7BYXD-P0259-A3YJF

Hector badge of carnage (oktoberfest bundle)
5WCL6-G97LL-8ZRVA

Avernum trials trilogy (harvest bundle)
7YTQM-D3ENT-73QK3

Hinterland (snow storm bundle)
57TQG-2YH6C-F6INP

Roboblitz (snow storm bundle)
PDKRN-N4XRR-VDL9P

Swords & soldiers (back to school bundle)
4FLKQ-JPC8J-ZBNDF

Bit.trip runner (winter bundle)
3274C-LFFY0-FQCHM

Serious sam 3 bfe (valentines bundle 2.0)
CXBWA-D984Z-39M6W

Doc clock the toasted sandwich of time (valentines bundle 2.0)
7GR8X-V2CKL-PVX0B

Numen contest of heroes (build a bundle 6)
28WBK-3TCRW-I2TDV

Nikopol secrets of the immortals (build a meridian4 bundle part 2)
9KQYP-2Y7QT-NAN9H

Pacific storm allies (build a meridian4 bundle part 2)
PN8YX-N5CQ0-REXQ7

Post apocalyptic mayhem (build a meridian4 bundle part 2)
ALVDZ-WNHLL-IA9BE

Syberia (build a meridian4 bundle part 2)
F5E44-5P4QK-83XML

Syberia 2 (build a meridian4 bundle part 2)
FFB6X-HL04H-KTR55

Trapped dead (build a meridian4 bundle part 2)
A2RBX-PPTZY-06M7X

Wasteland angel (build a meridian4 bundle part 2)
9FPVQ-TEA3I-DMT80

Karateka (be mine 8)
42J94-YTI03-CZXGF

Geneforge saga (build a bundle 5)
CI92L-8DQXX-CJ5LH

Resonance (wadjet eye groupee)
2ET9H-7ZXY0-JILX9

Galactic arms race (be mine anniversary)
59H6L-JBFX8-FZJXX

Adventures of shuggy (be mine anniversary)
AJD2A-BQCBE-7NDXL

Insecticide Ep 1 (build a bundle 4)
GA0Q5-RGKV9-HWDG2

Robin hood (build a bundle 4)
0HHPH-62WLK-GMBWP

King’s bounty the legend (be mine 5)
0MRZ4-CVQZV-FNA9M

Kung fu strike (be mine 5)
4JWPA-GPAVQ-IEAQ2

X-blades (be mine 5)
0H34Z-B6P2P-PDDVZ

Avencast (build a bundle 3)
8B4ZE-6TT6J-9G0AN

Syberia ii (build a bundle 2)
2YZ02-IGXAX-T7FLI

DLCs (be mine indie game bundle)
JGMC0-Z6WEJ-AA2NX

Post apocalyptic mayhem (be mine indie game bundle)
D3MTN-X44QV-LQH5R

Beat hazard (indiegala 5)
34X4K-PHAWL-XNF9K

Uplink (indiegala colossus)
2PI0Z-IDBMK-WZ27D

Europa universalis iii (indiegala dwarves)
KXW89-H7GJW-AJW8N

Patrician iv + rise of a dynasty dlc (indiegala dungeons)
65EXZ-YN7D7-ZH0HN

Dungeons the dark lord (indiegala dungeons)
5ZFB3-5VXIB-9RDE3

Oil rush +DLC + OST (indiegala summer dream)
3WDTGS653Z2PV3JX

Vessel (indiegala june)
447P7-493AQ-EHQXX

Edna & Harvey harvey’s new eyes (indiegala june)
42N6E-K3PZC-VJCYC

Crusader kings complete (indiegala june)
8WLCV-FZEMA-80V55

Rochard (humble weekly sale rochard)
3R0AI-28HVQ-THEZA

Gemini rue (bundle in a box adventure bundle)
YNZKR-V9X8K-W5MRX

Ben there dan that + time gentlemen please (bundle in a box adventure bundle)
IL66K-GQVJ0-ZQGEX

The adventures of shuggy (bundle in a box eclectic delights bundle)
F6H2B-VWBN6-ZWB92

Gemini rue (bundle in a box adventure bundle)
KGCSP-OT5BW-GZAE8-DCPHH-AFOEW

Shadows on the Vatican act I (bundle in a box eclectic delights bundle)
UQ2SZ-NQK3Z-T65RN-TCL7A-J75HQ

The adventures of shuggy (bundle in a box eclectic delights bundle)
IOZXM-ENL4X-K7SU2-HJDN0-INOAY

Fibrillation (indiegala colossus)
GX1S5-YAUEX-W5FMD-2M49P-90UAW

Cardinal quest (indiegala mobile)
H4INY-TFCLL-HM9X2-FLWMH-VQLV3
Post edited July 18, 2013 by maycett
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hucklebarry: with illegal game codes
I almost laughed. Almost, because I realized you were writing this with straight face.
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Foxhack: ... are you STILL going on about this?

Jesus Christ
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tinyE: What?
No, you're not the messiah, you're a very naughty boy!

Edit: Anyway, I'd just been pointed to this post through a colleague in XFire, didn't realise it was Amok going on about this yet again.
Post edited July 18, 2013 by jamyskis