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General discussion (archive)Letter to GOG about bundle keys giveaways. (164 posts)(164 posts)
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Posted July 17, 2013
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Bigs: I'm of the opinion that people can do what they want - it's a moral issue.
Exactly. GOG is the only digital distributor I can think of that treats their costumers with respect, entitling us to actually *own* the games we buy, the way we would if we bought them physically (or the closest thing, at least). If I *own* something, I'm entitled to do whatever I please with it.

And, actually, if you are a citizen of any EU Member State, you can sue the likes of Steam in court, for not letting you actually own something you paid for. There's no site I can find with the legislation, per se, but you can read articles about it on and [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2012/jul/05/eu-used-digital-games-market]The Guardian's Game Blog.

[EDIT]: It seems I overlooked the fact that the Forbes article links to an official .pdf of the thing.
Post edited July 17, 2013 by groze
Posted July 17, 2013
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amok - hello mate. I totally respect your point of view, however that is where the trouble starts, it is "a point of view." No one can disagree with what you say about Humble's pov, but it is not your, mine's or anyone elses right to tell the buyer what he must do after purchasing. It then becomes a moral issue.

The other problem I forsee, is that with bundles, games cross over and are sold for eg by Bundlestars or Groupees who do not have an objection to the buyer sharing. How are you going to prove that the key came from Humble ? Even if the game is not sold at the same time, chances are it has been sold by the others in the past. I don't believe GOG, from a business point of view, will want to spend time, authenticating where every code comes from.

I am not arguing with you, but I have thought about this plenty since reading other posts by yourself. Interesting reading, as GOG codes are now appearing in bundles as well.
Posted July 17, 2013
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So we all got reported to the principal for being naughty eh?

Maybe next you could start tracking keys people dump and report them back to humble support to find and flog the evil doers.

Also since I was going to dump these somewhere anyways, here are two THQ bundle keys for people to try.

Titan Quest: 957TH-J7VIE-W0J5I

Warhammer 40k: VDETJ-F0HRG-KTZH9
Posted July 17, 2013
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Bigs: I'm of the opinion that people can do what they want - it's a moral issue.
How about "People should do what they should do - it's an ethical issue." ?
I just keep shaking my head at how people here just say "moral" as a shorthand for "whatever floats your boat" 0_o.
Posted July 17, 2013
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Bigs: I'm of the opinion that people can do what they want - it's a moral issue.
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Vestin: How about "People should do what they should do - it's an ethical issue." ?
I just keep shaking my head at how people here just say "moral" as a shorthand for "whatever floats your boat" 0_o.
Maybe he meant morale issue.
Posted July 17, 2013
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Bigs: I'm of the opinion that people can do what they want - it's a moral issue.
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Vestin: How about "People should do what they should do - it's an ethical issue." ?
I just keep shaking my head at how people here just say "moral" as a shorthand for "whatever floats your boat" 0_o.
Either come down to the same thing. People should obey the speed limit, they don't etc etc - you can shake your head all u want (i can recommend some decent metal) - you or I are no better than anyone else.
Posted July 17, 2013
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Ian: The other problem I forsee, is that with bundles, games cross over and are sold for eg by Bundlestars or Groupees who do not have an objection to the buyer sharing. How are you going to prove that the key came from Humble ? Even if the game is not sold at the same time, chances are it has been sold by the others in the past. I don't believe GOG, from a business point of view, will want to spend time, authenticating where every code comes from
This is probably one of the better points for GOG not to police this kind of behavior. Unless the post specifically states where the codes come from, how on earth will they even begin to know? As mentioned above, games cross over between multiple bundles, so the key could have easily come from a place that does allow sharing. Additionally, there are plenty of other ways to obtain keys to give away, such as purchasing through Amazon or GMG.

There is no way for GOG to know where each product key comes from, and asking them to dedicate resources to police this does not exactly seem right. While they are part of a much larger company, I imagine the GOG team in general is fairly small and quite busy with their own projects.

Personally, I fail to see the issue. Humble is asking for you to "please consider" games as one unit, not declaring they are and sharing is expressly forbidden (according to the FAQ anyway). If I end up with games I will never play, I would rather someone else have them who wants them. For example, I purchased two indie Amazon bundles last year, one for myself and a friend. My friend only wanted 2 out of 5 of the codes though, so there were three games simply going to waste and never to be used. I would rather give the three remaining games to people who will enjoy them, and those who ended up with the keys seemed extremely grateful.

I see games as being absolutely no different than any other product. If I purchase a bundle of books but I already own three of them, should I just throw them away? I think that would be rather silly, when there are people who would get a thrill out of reading them. They were legitimately paid for, and they deserve a happy home, just like video games.
Post edited July 17, 2013 by Kurina
Posted July 17, 2013
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Ian: Either come down to the same thing.
Oh, Ian... Tell me: are you at least in awe of the starry sky above us...?
Posted July 17, 2013
I'd like whoever derepped me to kindly prove that I'm not Jesus Christ. As soon as you fail to do so I'd like my points back, thank you. :D
Post edited July 17, 2013 by tinyE
Posted July 17, 2013
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Ian: Either come down to the same thing.
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Vestin: Oh, Ian... Tell me: are you at least in awe of the starry sky above us...?
now u have lost me, not that it takes much lol
Posted July 17, 2013
So why exactly don't Humble, Indie Bundle, etc. simply give a single key instead of individual keys? Seems like something that could be so easily resolved.

"La culpa no es del chancho..."
Posted July 17, 2013
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Gonchi: So why exactly don't Humble, Indie Bundle, etc. simply give a single key instead of individual keys? Seems like something that could be so easily resolved.

"La culpa no es del chancho..."
They used to then changed at some point to individual keys.

People complained about the keys being given away when it was just one big key (Plus a separate key for bonuses.). So if Humble themselves thought of it as a big problem, I think they would have realized moving to separate keys wouldn't have made it any better.
Post edited July 17, 2013 by Fictionvision
Posted July 17, 2013
Fine then I 'm off to bed, but realize this, people have been claiming they were Jesus Christ for the past 2000 years, and one day one of us is going to be right about it, and you are going to derep him, and then you'll be sorry! :D
Posted July 17, 2013
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Vestin: How about "People should do what they should do - it's an ethical issue." ?
I just keep shaking my head at how people here just say "moral" as a shorthand for "whatever floats your boat" 0_o.
I don't think this is the place for philosophical terminology discussion, and you actually made it worse. If you want to go that route, everything done by a human is "ethical", so there's actually no "right" or "wrong" ethical actions, and, philosophically speaking, there's not even ethic and un-ethic. Morally speaking, it's a bit more ambiguous, as there's no right or wrong morality, as well, but there's definitely moral and immoral. So, if anyone is misinterpreting the concepts, it's actually you. Not that it matters; the fact is that, in layman's terms, we all get what he was saying by "moral". And whether moral is now used as "whatever floats your boat", well... maybe it is. But we don't speak "philosophy", we speak english, and, as a language, english isn't static, it evolves, and the meaning and context of words evolves as well.

Let's not be this nitpicky about terminology, shall we? One could argue you never really had an emergency, unless you were coming out of water, if language didn't have a practical context.
Posted July 17, 2013
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Gonchi: So why exactly don't Humble, Indie Bundle, etc. simply give a single key instead of individual keys? Seems like something that could be so easily resolved.

"La culpa no es del chancho..."
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Fictionvision: They used to then changed at some point to individual keys.

People complained about the keys being given away when it was just one big key (Plus a separate key for bonuses.). So if Humble themselves thought of it as a big problem, I think they would have realized moving to separate keys wouldn't have made it any better.
Did they give a reason as to why they switched to individual keys?
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