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General discussion (archive)Letter to GOG about bundle keys giveaways. (164 posts)(164 posts)
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Posted July 18, 2013
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Crsldmc: snip
They would never ban you for this.
Posted July 18, 2013
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Crsldmc: snip
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keeveek: They would never ban you for this.
Hope not, who knows, it's their website after all.
Posted July 18, 2013
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Immoli: Walmart sells a lot of DVD collections [...]
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thebum06: If Walmart asked you to sign a contract that specifically said that you could not give away individual movies, then yes, I'd say there's something wrong with giving away individual movies.
That might depend on the countries legislation, but if you buy something, the seller loses the influence for controlling to whom it will belong in the future (e.g. here in Germany, software licenses are considered resellable by the highest court).
Posted July 18, 2013
Here i was thinking that a certain someone stands to his word and stops
useless posts. But no, he is on his ego trip again. As i said in his last subject
discussion is useless.
What makes me wonder is why he isn't going to the source? Why posting here
and not at Humble/etc.? Oh, wait he needs his public 5 minutes.

Back to the topic.
Don't you think that those bundle companies don't know about giveaways of
unused keys? Don't you think it would be very easy for them to stop it?
Its just one programing line.....ask for keys = download isn't available......
download = no options for keys. Thats it.
They know that and they know that bundles would sell halve without both
options.
But it stands in their EULA (whatever). Sure, why not. They can write everything
they wish into this....but its still NOT LAW.
I am living in the EU. Many software companies have forbidden the resell of
their used products in their EULA.....and we have a verdict from the
European Court of Justice that says that those EULA's are illegal.

There is a nice German quote for a thread like this: Es ist mehr als flüssig...überflüssig.
Posted July 18, 2013
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thebum06: If Walmart asked you to sign a contract that specifically said that you could not give away individual movies, then yes, I'd say there's something wrong with giving away individual movies.
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The-Business: That might depend on the countries legislation, but if you buy something, the seller loses the influence for controlling to whom it will belong in the future (e.g. here in Germany, software licenses are considered resellable by the highest court).
I'm not talking legality here. My opinion is that if you sign a contract, then you should keep to it. The message you're sending to big publishers by breaking the Humble Bundle TOS is that, even at a place like this where most people fighting to not be treated like criminals, people still can't be trusted to follow a contract. Why would those publishers release DRM-Free games, whose only protection against abuse is a contract, when people here have shown that they can't keep to a contract?
Post edited July 18, 2013 by thebum06
Posted July 18, 2013
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thebum06: If Walmart asked you to sign a contract that specifically said that you could not give away individual movies, then yes, I'd say there's something wrong with giving away individual movies.
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The-Business: That might depend on the countries legislation, but if you buy something, the seller loses the influence for controlling to whom it will belong in the future (e.g. here in Germany, software licenses are considered resellable by the highest court).
If I understand correctly, - the license is, but not the services.

i.e. you can sell your game license, but the service provided by for example GoG, HS or Steam do not follow it. That ruling is still based on an understanding of physical media only. So it means that I can sell you my Psychonaut game, however you have no right to it either here, on Steam or on HS. All it is, is that you are allowed to play Psychonauts legally. If I sold you a Psychonauts disk, it would be different matter, as there is no service involved.

It also mean that if I get Psychonauts again in a HiB (and ignoring that I would not do so) I could sell you my Psychonauts license, however the service is still tied to my bundle sale. So if I sell you Psychonauts and give you a Steam key, you are not actually legally allowed to make use of Steam's services (downloading the game through them). This is probably completely wrongly told, and I most likely misunderstand quite a lot, but it is very messy and not so straightforward, and it is how I read it. Somebody who can talk legal speak can probably explain it a lot better than me.
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Schnuff: Here i was thinking that a certain someone stands to his word and stops
useless posts. But no, he is on his ego trip again. As i said in his last subject
discussion is useless.
What makes me wonder is why he isn't going to the source? Why posting here
and not at Humble/etc.? Oh, wait he needs his public 5 minutes.

Back to the topic.
Don't you think that those bundle companies don't know about giveaways of
unused keys? Don't you think it would be very easy for them to stop it?
Its just one programing line.....ask for keys = download isn't available......
download = no options for keys. Thats it.
They know that and they know that bundles would sell halve without both
options.
But it stands in their EULA (whatever). Sure, why not. They can write everything
they wish into this....but its still NOT LAW.
I am living in the EU. Many software companies have forbidden the resell of
their used products in their EULA.....and we have a verdict from the
European Court of Justice that says that those EULA's are illegal.

There is a nice German quote for a thread like this: Es ist mehr als flüssig...überflüssig.
This is so worth all the rep I am going to be losing:

Know what - GOG agrees with me :)

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/to_giveaway_or_not_to_giveaway/post13

That made everything worth it!

I could also add another response:

"It is not our primary task to police key sharing on our forums, but we will address such occurrences when we notice them. We don't want to block threads or even accounts over this, but we will show that we think partial key sharing is unfair."
Post edited July 18, 2013 by amok
Posted July 18, 2013
Yes, individual distribution of bundled games is frowned upon by bundle sellers. No, they dare not implement a scheme that even smells like content restricting DRM from afar. Yes, people will abuse this good will knowingly or not. No, I did not eat spaghetti today, that would be silly.
Posted July 18, 2013
Why do people keep downrepping the OP ?
Posted July 18, 2013
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amok:
Sorry, I was not talking about services like Steam, but installers (especially about splitting up the ones purchased in a bundle). Trying to restrict the buyers rights (resell) has been ruled void by the courts here, if companies want to do this, they have to e.g. sell a subscription. But these also have downsides for them like necessary support (compatibility, maintenance) and unnecessary support (all these computer illiterate costumers who contact you), the ability to cancel and retreat from your purchase. And even on providing services to the buyer of the resell, the last word hasn't been spoken in Germany. A lower court has been advised to decide if the software company still has to provide updates to the new owner (because they sold it doesn't matter if the old or new owner uses that).
Posted July 18, 2013
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amok:
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The-Business: Sorry, I was not talking about services like Steam, but installers (especially about splitting up the ones purchased in a bundle). Trying to restrict the buyers rights (resell) has been ruled void by the courts here, if companies want to do this, they have to e.g. sell a subscription. But these also have downsides for them like necessary support (compatibility, maintenance) and unnecessary support (all these computer illiterate costumers who contact you), the ability to cancel and retreat from your purchase. And even on providing services to the buyer of the resell, the last word hasn't been spoken in Germany. A lower court has been advised to decide if the software company still has to provide updates to the new owner (because they sold it doesn't matter if the old or new owner uses that).
Yes, but the if I sell you Psychonauts, then I also need to give you the installer. You are not allowed to get it from a service (gog is also a service). Providing downloads, even if it is still just an .exe is still a service. You may then try to get Double Fine to patch and make sure it has recent updates.
Posted July 18, 2013
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amok: Yes, but the if I sell you Psychonauts, then I also need to give you the installer. You are not allowed to get it from a service (gog is also a service). Providing downloads, even if it is still just an .exe is still a service. You may then try to get Double Fine to patch and make sure it has recent updates.
If you don't send me the installer, but provide a password protected link for the transition of property, then it's not a service to me.
Posted July 18, 2013
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amok: Know what - GOG agrees with me :)

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/to_giveaway_or_not_to_giveaway/post13

That made everything worth it!
So it was all about your penis rather than anything else.
Post edited July 18, 2013 by keeveek
Posted July 18, 2013
Wouldn't it be cool if Steam, when fed a code for something you already own, would simply spit out a new copy into your inventory ? I think almost everyone here would likely be fine with such a solution...
Posted July 18, 2013
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Vestin: Wouldn't it be cool if Steam, when fed a code for something you already own, would simply spit out a new copy into your inventory ? I think almost everyone here would likely be fine with such a solution...
Steam wants you to buy everything you have again, and again, and again, and again...

Only GOG is kind enough to give you gift codes for stuff you already have or to reduce the price of the bundle if you have something already.

That's because GOG guys are cool.
Posted July 18, 2013
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amok: Yes, but the if I sell you Psychonauts, then I also need to give you the installer. You are not allowed to get it from a service (gog is also a service). Providing downloads, even if it is still just an .exe is still a service. You may then try to get Double Fine to patch and make sure it has recent updates.
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The-Business: If you don't send me the installer, but provide a password protected link for the transition of property, then it's not a service to me.
I do not think the legal system is not based on what you personally defines as a service...

It would be very convenient if we could just establish these definitions our self :)

"You stand here accused for murder"
"I defined him as a rat, I therefore did not kill anyone - just did some pest control"
"You are free to go"

Anyway, if I send you a link, I still need to be the one providing it, not GOG, Steam or HS. It probably means I could do it and give you a link to Dopbox, or Rapidshare or something.

Anyway, this is a sidenote in this thread.
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