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Hey Goggers;

As many of you know, we announced on last Friday that we are going to introduce regional pricing for 3 new games coming up on GOG.com soon. Looking at the amount of reactions (over 3,500 comments at this very moment), it is obvious that this change is making many of you guys worried. We must have failed to clearly explain why our pricing policy for (some) newer games will change and what this means as a matter of fact for our PC & MAC classic games, which account for over 80% of our catalogue.

To be honest, our announcement was a bit vague simply because our future pricing policy is not 100% set in stone yet and we were just worried to make any promises before it was. You know, GOG.com has been growing quickly (thanks to you!), and the more we grow, the more we are worried to make some of you guys disappointed. This is why we were so (over-)cautious with our announcement.

We should have just been upfront about why we've made these changes and what they mean for us in the future and what we're planning. So let's talk. To be clear: what I'm talking about below is our plan. It's a plan that we believe we can accomplish, but while it's what we want to do with GOG, it may change some before it actually sees the light of day. Please don’t blame me for talking open-heartedly today and telling you about the plans and pricing policy we want to fight for and eventually achieve. The below plans aren't sure. The only guarantee I can give you is that we’ll do our best to fight for gamers while still making sure GOG.com as a whole grows (because well, we still want to be around 50 years from now, you know!). So, enough for the introduction, let’s get things started.

Why does GOG.com need to offer newer games at all?

We've been in business for 5 years now, and we've signed a big percentage of all of the classic content that can be legally untangled. There are still some big companies left we're trying to bring into the GOG.com fold, like LucasArts, Microsoft, Take2 and Bethesda, but what classic titles will we sign in the future once we have those partners on-board? We need to sign newer games or else just fire everyone and keep selling the same limited catalog. Either we bring you “not so old” releases from 2010+ or brand-new AAA titles, because these will become classic games tomorrow. It’s as simple as that.

Also, well, we want to expand beyond just classic games, hence the fact we have been offering you brand-new indie releases for almost 2 years now. Why expanding? Well, obviously, because the more games we sell, the more legitimacy we have on the market and the more likely it is that we can achieve our mission: making all PC & MAC video games 100% DRM-free, whether classic or brand-new titles.

To be straightforward (excuse my French):DRM is shit-- we'll never have any of it. It treats legitimate customers like rubbish and pirates don't have to bother with it. It's bad for gamers, and it's also bad for business and our partners. We want to make it easy and convenient for users to buy and play games; rather than give piracy a try. Happy gamers equals a healthy gaming industry; and this is what we fight for. Anyway, I am sure you well know our opinions about DRM.

To make the world of gaming DRM-free, we need to convince top-tier publishers & developers to give us a try with new games, just like they did with classic games. We need to make more case studies for the gaming industry, just like we successfully did back in 2011 with The Witcher 2. It was our first ever 100% DRM-free AAA day-1 release. GOG.com was the 2nd best-selling digital distribution platform worldwide for this title thanks to you guys, despite having regional prices for it. We need more breakthroughs like this to be able to show all the devs and publishers in our industry that DRM-free digital distribution is actually good for their business and their fans. And when I say breakthroughs, I am talking about really kick-ass games, with a potential metacritic score of 85% or more, AA+ and AAA kind of titles.

And this is exactly why we signed those 3 games we told you about last Friday. We believe those 3 games can be massive hits for hardcore gamers, that they can help us spread the DRM-free model among the industry for newer games and we did our best to convince their rights holders to give GOG.com a try. One of those games, as you see already, is Age of Wonders 3. We're planning more titles even beyond these first 3 soon.

Alright, but why is regional pricing needed for those (only 3 so far!) newer games then?

First of all, you have to be aware of an important fact when it comes to newer games: GOG.com cannot really decide what the prices should be. Top-tier developers and publishers usually have contractual obligations with their retail partners that oblige them to offer the game at the same price digitally and in retail. When they don’t have such contractual obligations, they are still encouraged to do so, or else their games might not get any exposure on the shelves in your favorite shops. This will change over time (as digital sales should overtake retail sales in the near future), but as of today, this is still a problem our industry is facing because retail is a big chunk of revenue and there’s nothing GOG.com can do to change that. We need to charge the recommended retail price for the boxed copies of the games in order for developers (or publishers) to either not get sued or at least get their games visible on shelves. You may recall that our sister company CD Projekt RED got sued for that in the past and we don’t want our partners to suffer from that too.

On top of that, you have to know that there are still many top-tier devs and publishers that are scared about DRM-free gaming. They're half-convinced it will make piracy worse, and flat pricing means that we're also asking them to earn less, too. Earn less, you say? Why is that? Well, when we sell a game in the EU or UK, VAT gets deducted from the price before anyone receives any profit. That means we're asking our partners to try out DRM-free gaming and at the same time also earn 19% - 25% less from us. Other stores, such as Steam, price their games regionally and have pricing that's more equitable to developers and publishers. So flat pricing + DRM-Free is something many devs and publishers simply refuse. Can you blame them? The best argument we can make to convince a publisher or developer to try DRM-Free gaming is that it earns money. Telling them to sacrifice income while they try selling a game with no copy protection is not a way to make that argument.

Getting back to those 3 new upcoming games coming up. The first one is Age of Wonders 3, which you can pre-order right now on GOG.com. The next 2 ones will be Divine Divinity: Original Sin and The Witcher 3. We’re very excited to offer those games DRM-free worldwide and we hope you’ll love them.

Still, we know some countries are really being screwed with regional pricing (Western Europe, UK, Australia) and as mentioned above, we’ll do our very best, for every release of a new game, to convince our partners to offer something special for the gamers living there.

And don’t forget guys: if regional pricing for those few big (as in, “AA+”) new games is a problem for you, you can always wait. In a few months. The game will be discounted on sale, and at 60, 70, or 80% off, the price difference will be minimal indeed. In a few years it will become a classic in its own right, and then we have the possibility to to make it flat-priced anyway (read next!) The choice is always yours. All we are after is to present it to you 100% DRM-free. We are sure you will make the best choice for yourself, and let others enjoy their own freedom to make choices as well.

So, what is going to happen with classic games then?

Classic content accounts for about 80% of our catalog, so yes, this is a super important topic. We've mentioned here above that we can’t control prices for new games, but we do have a lot of influence when it comes to classic games. GOG.com is the store that made this market visible and viable digitally, and we're the ones who established the prices we charge. We believe that we have a good record to argue for fair pricing with our partners.

So let's talk about the pricing for classics that we're shooting for. For $5.99 classics, we would like to make the games 3.49 GBP, 4.49 EUR, 199 RUB, and $6.49 AUD. For $9.99 classics, our targets are 5.99 GBP, 7.49 EUR, 349 RUB, and $10.99 AUD. This is what we’ve got in mind at the moment. We’ll do our best to make that happen, and we think it will. How? Well, we have made our partners quite happy with GOG.com's sales for years - thanks to you guys :). We have created a global, legal, successful digital distribution market of classics for them. This market didn't exist 5 years ago. By (re)making all those games compatible with modern operating systems for MAC and PC, we've made forgotten games profitable again. When it comes to classic games, we can tell them that we know more about this market than anyone. :) Being retrogaming freaks ourselves, we know that 5.99 EUR or GBP is crazy expensive for a classic game (compared to 5.99 USD). We have always argued that classic games only sell well if they have reasonable prices. Unfair regional pricing equals piracy and that’s the last thing anybody wants.

What’s next?

We will do our very best to make all of the above happen. This means three things:

First, we will work to make our industry go DRM-free in the future for both classic and new games (that’s our mission!).

Second, we will fight hard to have an attractive offer for those AA+ new games for our European, British and Australian users, despite regional pricing that we have to stick to.

Third, we will switch to fair local pricing for classic games, as I mentioned above.

TheEnigmaticT earlier mentioned that he would eat his hat if we ever brought DRM to GOG.com. I'm going to go one step further: by the end of this year, I'm making the promise that we will have converted our classic catalog over to fair regional pricing as outlined above. If not, we'll set up a record a video of some horrible public shaming for me, TheEnigmaticT, and w0rma. In fact, you know what? Feel free to make suggestions below for something appropriate (but also safe enough that we won't get the video banned on YouTube) so you feel that we're motivated to get this done quickly. I'll pick one that's scary enough from the comments below and we'll let you know which one we're sticking to.

I hope that this explanation has helped ease your worry a bit and help you keep your faith in GOG.com as a place that's different, awesome, and that always fights for what's best for gamers. If you have any questions, comments or ideas, feel free to address them to us below and TheEnigmaticT and I will answer them to the best of our abilities tomorrow. We hear you loud and clear, so please do continue sharing your feedback with us. At the end of the day GOG.com is your place; without you guys it would just be a website where a few crazy people from Europe talk about old games. :)

I end many of my emails with this, but there's rarely a time to use it more appropriately than here:

“Best DRM-free wishes,

Guillaume Rambourg,
(TheFrenchMonk)
Managing Director -- GOG.com”
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GabiMoro: You said: "Yeah as if that is a consolation since gog never has real discount. Only buy five games where you like only one and get 80% off and at the end pay 50% more."
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/letter_from_the_md_about_regional_pricing/post3147

Pehaps you need to learn to write.
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Matruchus: Well what is the difference in what I wrote above and down here. None. You should go back to elementary school and learn to read.
You said GOG never has real dicounts when if fact hey have a lot. They have a sale right now, and it's not Interplay. And they had one last week.
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Matruchus: One question - when are you going to remove the false advertisement advert for AOW3 on the main site of gog since for eu countrys its giving the price 39.99$ and when you click on it its 39.99€.
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JudasIscariot: I'll have to pass that question to the proper department at GOG because I am no expert on laws in the EU or anywhere for that matter. It's the best I can do at this time, sorry :/
Ok thanks for that just wanted to warn you since changing your policy changes everything. Sorry for all the rants but a im really affected by all of this.
gog staff pop in , answer irrelevant questions , then vanish when the heavy questions start landing

truth is they dont care as they are too busy having monthly staff parties
Post edited March 01, 2014 by paulrainer
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Matruchus: Well what is the difference in what I wrote above and down here. None. You should go back to elementary school and learn to read.
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GabiMoro: You said GOG never has real dicounts when if fact hey have a lot. They have a sale right now, and it's not Interplay. And they had one last week.
I said for games I like. To explain further strategy and simulation. I dont care about other games.
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peixoto: I´d be really happy if Gog could just go back to one world one price and forget about AAA titles that only makes goggers angry. But it looks like it wont happen, so all I can do is continue to buy old titles from now on with big discounts, and if they put regional prices on them I´ll buy even less.

I thought GOG.COM was a nice piece of heaven and I could spend my money here without worries, create a collection of old games.

Now I have to worry about prices and DRM, I just dont believe them anymore when they say they´ll never have drm.

And of course, make a "backup" of my collection to my HD just in case they go back on their word again.
1) You should *always* worry about prices. Never take anything for granted and always look around. Business is business and being immoral and in business is usually considered a better alternative than being moral and utterly bankrupt. Therefore you should *never* trust a business implicitly. They're them, you're you, and the only one that you can be sure only has you in mind is yourself.

2) There's no DRM on GOG. If they started with it, they'd be done. They've moved a bit away from their niche with regional prices but the moment they add DRM, they're leaving their cave and walking into a desert with no water. They'll have a ton of pissed off customers and zero competitive advantages against other online distributors. They'll be toast and they know it. So while you should of course pay attention, there's no immediate reason to worry about DRM.
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1322: Wow that sucks. GabiMoro gave GOG money without anything in return? That's not good.
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Ichwillnichtmehr: Nope, he got something in return all right.
Oh okay so he isn't getting ripped off, that's good. I was under the impression that being ripped off meant that you buy something and not receive what you pay for, pay more than what something is worth, in particular when alternatives are available. The latter is subjective, of course (as in it is I that determines if the price is fair or not, and that I am willing to pay it), and in the case of AoW3 I haven't found any place that offers me the game cheaper to determine if I am actually being ripped off here at GOG, as the Steam price as of several days ago was exactly the same. Even going to the website just points to Steam and GOG. No place to actually compare prices for me, but I admit I didn't look real hard either. Seems the only option for me is to either buy if I agree that the price matches the value of the product (determined by me), or it doesn't. With all that in mind, the rip off is where?
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JudasIscariot: I'll have to pass that question to the proper department at GOG because I am no expert on laws in the EU or anywhere for that matter. It's the best I can do at this time, sorry :/
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Matruchus: Ok thanks for that just wanted to warn you since changing your policy changes everything. Sorry for all the rants but a im really affected by all of this.
Sorry i didn't answer sooner, btw :) I was checking on some of our other forums along with General Discussion :)
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Ichwillnichtmehr: Nope, he got something in return all right.
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1322: Oh okay so he isn't getting ripped off, that's good. I was under the impression that being ripped off meant that you buy something and not receive what you pay for, pay more than what something is worth, in particular when alternatives are available. The latter is subjective, of course (as in it is I that determines if the price is fair or not, and that I am willing to pay it), and in the case of AoW3 I haven't found any place that offers me the game cheaper to determine if I am actually being ripped off here at GOG, as the Steam price as of several days ago was exactly the same. Even going to the website just points to Steam and GOG. No place to actually compare prices for me, but I admit I didn't look real hard either. Seems the only option for me is to either buy if I agree that the price matches the value of the product (determined by me), or it doesn't. With all that in mind, the rip off is where?
Rip-off is when you buy the same product at some conditions at a different price then any other customer.
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GabiMoro: That's because you are trolling like you did here (saying GOG never sells at dicounts): http://www.gog.com/forum/general/letter_from_the_md_about_regional_pricing/post3147
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paulrainer: CLEARLY A GOG FANBOY SHILL

btw ..im surprised romania has internets or even computers ? i thought romania were too busy with atm scams, pickpocketing and prostitution / organised crime and migrating to other country to scam benefit system ? let alone have time to play gcomputer games :/
Well, after what you said here, telling gog to fuck themselves who will ever listen of what you say?
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/letter_from_the_md_about_regional_pricing/post2562
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Selderij: No, because it's a rip-off.
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GabiMoro: So they don't force you to buy it, right? For you, and for me in fact it's like the game is not on GOG.
But surely some people have the money or they think the price is right for them and they can buy it (happy for them).
And when you (or me) think that the price is right (in a few monts probably) then we'll buy it.

So we are not actually ripped of.
The very existence of the game on the GOG catalog is a constant – and in many cases successful – attempt to rip off customers for more money. The game is a rip-off and not buying it doesn't make it any less of a rip-off. You don't have a problem with having to watch out for rip-offs at every turn but I do.
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Ichwillnichtmehr: You are correct.

If a company says "Regional prices are a rip off!", and then implements regional prices, I feel "ideologically" ripped off.
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dhundahl: Now that I can actually agree with. THAT is what you should focus on. Not the cents, though. We have a saying here in DK about streams turning into rivers if enough of them collide, but you'd need to be buying an awful lot of classics to turn those few cents into a significant amount of money, at which point complaining about the "high" price seems odd since you clearly could afford to buy so many games in the first place.

Don't get me wrong, I don't take kindly to being ripped off, but I'm just not seeing that happening unless the prices change rather dramatically. Losing a few cents because of a minor divergence between the market exchange rate and what I'm losing on GOG's exchange rate is nothing relative to what I'm losing by buying the game in the first place. In other words, instead of focusing on the price change, I ask myself if the new price is a good deal for me. Does what I'm buying provide more utility value than what I'm losing? The game previously costed $5.99 plus conversion fee, now it costs €4.49 plus conversion fee. It's an increase, particularly since euro isn't the local currency, but the deal is still good.

By the way, the price of coffee around here is ridiculous. Ten years ago, 500g worth of decent coffee beans cost something like €4.25. Then came "increased demand from China and other wealthy Asian countries" and the price spiked to €6.65 or so. And then the price stuck at € 5.5 - 6, which is the area it's been in ever since. Now there's a bad harvest in Brazil so the price is likely to climb up even more without ever coming back down, and I still drink the damn thing. What happened to our coffee prices is a ripoff. Potentially losing a few cents on currency conversion is a minor annoyance, and as long as the prices stay within that margin then that's all it is. At least to me. Even though I'm poor as hell.
When would you consider the rip off a rip off?

When 40$ vs. 55$?

When 30$ vs. 40$?

When 15$ vs. 20$?

When 9.99$ vs. 10.30$?

When 5.99$ vs. 6.17$?

Where would you personally draw the line?
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dhundahl: Now that I can actually agree with. THAT is what you should focus on. Not the cents, though. We have a saying here in DK about streams turning into rivers if enough of them collide, but you'd need to be buying an awful lot of classics to turn those few cents into a significant amount of money, at which point complaining about the "high" price seems odd since you clearly could afford to buy so many games in the first place.

Don't get me wrong, I don't take kindly to being ripped off, but I'm just not seeing that happening unless the prices change rather dramatically. Losing a few cents because of a minor divergence between the market exchange rate and what I'm losing on GOG's exchange rate is nothing relative to what I'm losing by buying the game in the first place. In other words, instead of focusing on the price change, I ask myself if the new price is a good deal for me. Does what I'm buying provide more utility value than what I'm losing? The game previously costed $5.99 plus conversion fee, now it costs €4.49 plus conversion fee. It's an increase, particularly since euro isn't the local currency, but the deal is still good.

By the way, the price of coffee around here is ridiculous. Ten years ago, 500g worth of decent coffee beans cost something like €4.25. Then came "increased demand from China and other wealthy Asian countries" and the price spiked to €6.65 or so. And then the price stuck at € 5.5 - 6, which is the area it's been in ever since. Now there's a bad harvest in Brazil so the price is likely to climb up even more without ever coming back down, and I still drink the damn thing. What happened to our coffee prices is a ripoff. Potentially losing a few cents on currency conversion is a minor annoyance, and as long as the prices stay within that margin then that's all it is. At least to me. Even though I'm poor as hell.
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Ichwillnichtmehr: When would you consider the rip off a rip off?

When 40$ vs. 55$?

When 30$ vs. 40$?

When 15$ vs. 20$?

When 9.99$ vs. 10.30$?

When 5.99$ vs. 6.17$?

Where would you personally draw the line?
For me when it is in increase between the differences in value because of currency disparity.
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GabiMoro: You said GOG never has real dicounts when if fact hey have a lot. They have a sale right now, and it's not Interplay. And they had one last week.
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Matruchus: I said for games I like. To explain further strategy and simulation. I dont care about other games.
Then you should have said so from the first place: ""GOG never has real dicounts for the games I like: strategy and simulation."
But you have not.
And you are wrong again, almost all games were on sale somtime during the last months.
Post edited March 01, 2014 by GabiMoro
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hedwards: The answer is that it probably isn't legal with those physical goods either. People around here do that with cigarettes because the taxes are much higher in this state than on reservations or in other states. It's illegal and when the cops catch people there are penalties, but most people who do it are probably never caught. And the ones that are probably had to do it a few dozen times typically before being caught.

I wouldn't be surprised if that was what's going on here. The EU like US states doesn't stop everybody when moving between states, so I'm sure there's a ton of this sort of thing happening because nobody's paying attention to that.
The EU has a common market. We can buy wherever we want to within the EU. it wouldn't even be illegal to buy in a non-EU country and import from there. Of course the latter is only legal if the purchase is declared and you pay import VAT and customs duties. Otherwise it would be smuggling.
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GabiMoro: So they don't force you to buy it, right? For you, and for me in fact it's like the game is not on GOG.
But surely some people have the money or they think the price is right for them and they can buy it (happy for them).
And when you (or me) think that the price is right (in a few monts probably) then we'll buy it.

So we are not actually ripped of.
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Selderij: The very existence of the game on the GOG catalog is a constant – and in many cases successful – attempt to rip off customers for more money. The game is a rip-off and not buying it doesn't make it any less of a rip-off. You don't have a problem with having to watch out for rip-offs at every turn but I do.
Pretty much all release day prices will rip you off. Avoid buying stuff on release day and you've come a long way in avoiding getting ripped off. And really, GOG is a business and they're not you, so you should always watch out for the risk of getting ripped off. At GOG, at Steam, at GG, at your local grocery, at restaurants, and at your local hardware store. They're businesses and they're not you. That makes them predators and you pray.