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Hey Goggers;

As many of you know, we announced on last Friday that we are going to introduce regional pricing for 3 new games coming up on GOG.com soon. Looking at the amount of reactions (over 3,500 comments at this very moment), it is obvious that this change is making many of you guys worried. We must have failed to clearly explain why our pricing policy for (some) newer games will change and what this means as a matter of fact for our PC & MAC classic games, which account for over 80% of our catalogue.

To be honest, our announcement was a bit vague simply because our future pricing policy is not 100% set in stone yet and we were just worried to make any promises before it was. You know, GOG.com has been growing quickly (thanks to you!), and the more we grow, the more we are worried to make some of you guys disappointed. This is why we were so (over-)cautious with our announcement.

We should have just been upfront about why we've made these changes and what they mean for us in the future and what we're planning. So let's talk. To be clear: what I'm talking about below is our plan. It's a plan that we believe we can accomplish, but while it's what we want to do with GOG, it may change some before it actually sees the light of day. Please don’t blame me for talking open-heartedly today and telling you about the plans and pricing policy we want to fight for and eventually achieve. The below plans aren't sure. The only guarantee I can give you is that we’ll do our best to fight for gamers while still making sure GOG.com as a whole grows (because well, we still want to be around 50 years from now, you know!). So, enough for the introduction, let’s get things started.

Why does GOG.com need to offer newer games at all?

We've been in business for 5 years now, and we've signed a big percentage of all of the classic content that can be legally untangled. There are still some big companies left we're trying to bring into the GOG.com fold, like LucasArts, Microsoft, Take2 and Bethesda, but what classic titles will we sign in the future once we have those partners on-board? We need to sign newer games or else just fire everyone and keep selling the same limited catalog. Either we bring you “not so old” releases from 2010+ or brand-new AAA titles, because these will become classic games tomorrow. It’s as simple as that.

Also, well, we want to expand beyond just classic games, hence the fact we have been offering you brand-new indie releases for almost 2 years now. Why expanding? Well, obviously, because the more games we sell, the more legitimacy we have on the market and the more likely it is that we can achieve our mission: making all PC & MAC video games 100% DRM-free, whether classic or brand-new titles.

To be straightforward (excuse my French):DRM is shit-- we'll never have any of it. It treats legitimate customers like rubbish and pirates don't have to bother with it. It's bad for gamers, and it's also bad for business and our partners. We want to make it easy and convenient for users to buy and play games; rather than give piracy a try. Happy gamers equals a healthy gaming industry; and this is what we fight for. Anyway, I am sure you well know our opinions about DRM.

To make the world of gaming DRM-free, we need to convince top-tier publishers & developers to give us a try with new games, just like they did with classic games. We need to make more case studies for the gaming industry, just like we successfully did back in 2011 with The Witcher 2. It was our first ever 100% DRM-free AAA day-1 release. GOG.com was the 2nd best-selling digital distribution platform worldwide for this title thanks to you guys, despite having regional prices for it. We need more breakthroughs like this to be able to show all the devs and publishers in our industry that DRM-free digital distribution is actually good for their business and their fans. And when I say breakthroughs, I am talking about really kick-ass games, with a potential metacritic score of 85% or more, AA+ and AAA kind of titles.

And this is exactly why we signed those 3 games we told you about last Friday. We believe those 3 games can be massive hits for hardcore gamers, that they can help us spread the DRM-free model among the industry for newer games and we did our best to convince their rights holders to give GOG.com a try. One of those games, as you see already, is Age of Wonders 3. We're planning more titles even beyond these first 3 soon.

Alright, but why is regional pricing needed for those (only 3 so far!) newer games then?

First of all, you have to be aware of an important fact when it comes to newer games: GOG.com cannot really decide what the prices should be. Top-tier developers and publishers usually have contractual obligations with their retail partners that oblige them to offer the game at the same price digitally and in retail. When they don’t have such contractual obligations, they are still encouraged to do so, or else their games might not get any exposure on the shelves in your favorite shops. This will change over time (as digital sales should overtake retail sales in the near future), but as of today, this is still a problem our industry is facing because retail is a big chunk of revenue and there’s nothing GOG.com can do to change that. We need to charge the recommended retail price for the boxed copies of the games in order for developers (or publishers) to either not get sued or at least get their games visible on shelves. You may recall that our sister company CD Projekt RED got sued for that in the past and we don’t want our partners to suffer from that too.

On top of that, you have to know that there are still many top-tier devs and publishers that are scared about DRM-free gaming. They're half-convinced it will make piracy worse, and flat pricing means that we're also asking them to earn less, too. Earn less, you say? Why is that? Well, when we sell a game in the EU or UK, VAT gets deducted from the price before anyone receives any profit. That means we're asking our partners to try out DRM-free gaming and at the same time also earn 19% - 25% less from us. Other stores, such as Steam, price their games regionally and have pricing that's more equitable to developers and publishers. So flat pricing + DRM-Free is something many devs and publishers simply refuse. Can you blame them? The best argument we can make to convince a publisher or developer to try DRM-Free gaming is that it earns money. Telling them to sacrifice income while they try selling a game with no copy protection is not a way to make that argument.

Getting back to those 3 new upcoming games coming up. The first one is Age of Wonders 3, which you can pre-order right now on GOG.com. The next 2 ones will be Divine Divinity: Original Sin and The Witcher 3. We’re very excited to offer those games DRM-free worldwide and we hope you’ll love them.

Still, we know some countries are really being screwed with regional pricing (Western Europe, UK, Australia) and as mentioned above, we’ll do our very best, for every release of a new game, to convince our partners to offer something special for the gamers living there.

And don’t forget guys: if regional pricing for those few big (as in, “AA+”) new games is a problem for you, you can always wait. In a few months. The game will be discounted on sale, and at 60, 70, or 80% off, the price difference will be minimal indeed. In a few years it will become a classic in its own right, and then we have the possibility to to make it flat-priced anyway (read next!) The choice is always yours. All we are after is to present it to you 100% DRM-free. We are sure you will make the best choice for yourself, and let others enjoy their own freedom to make choices as well.

So, what is going to happen with classic games then?

Classic content accounts for about 80% of our catalog, so yes, this is a super important topic. We've mentioned here above that we can’t control prices for new games, but we do have a lot of influence when it comes to classic games. GOG.com is the store that made this market visible and viable digitally, and we're the ones who established the prices we charge. We believe that we have a good record to argue for fair pricing with our partners.

So let's talk about the pricing for classics that we're shooting for. For $5.99 classics, we would like to make the games 3.49 GBP, 4.49 EUR, 199 RUB, and $6.49 AUD. For $9.99 classics, our targets are 5.99 GBP, 7.49 EUR, 349 RUB, and $10.99 AUD. This is what we’ve got in mind at the moment. We’ll do our best to make that happen, and we think it will. How? Well, we have made our partners quite happy with GOG.com's sales for years - thanks to you guys :). We have created a global, legal, successful digital distribution market of classics for them. This market didn't exist 5 years ago. By (re)making all those games compatible with modern operating systems for MAC and PC, we've made forgotten games profitable again. When it comes to classic games, we can tell them that we know more about this market than anyone. :) Being retrogaming freaks ourselves, we know that 5.99 EUR or GBP is crazy expensive for a classic game (compared to 5.99 USD). We have always argued that classic games only sell well if they have reasonable prices. Unfair regional pricing equals piracy and that’s the last thing anybody wants.

What’s next?

We will do our very best to make all of the above happen. This means three things:

First, we will work to make our industry go DRM-free in the future for both classic and new games (that’s our mission!).

Second, we will fight hard to have an attractive offer for those AA+ new games for our European, British and Australian users, despite regional pricing that we have to stick to.

Third, we will switch to fair local pricing for classic games, as I mentioned above.

TheEnigmaticT earlier mentioned that he would eat his hat if we ever brought DRM to GOG.com. I'm going to go one step further: by the end of this year, I'm making the promise that we will have converted our classic catalog over to fair regional pricing as outlined above. If not, we'll set up a record a video of some horrible public shaming for me, TheEnigmaticT, and w0rma. In fact, you know what? Feel free to make suggestions below for something appropriate (but also safe enough that we won't get the video banned on YouTube) so you feel that we're motivated to get this done quickly. I'll pick one that's scary enough from the comments below and we'll let you know which one we're sticking to.

I hope that this explanation has helped ease your worry a bit and help you keep your faith in GOG.com as a place that's different, awesome, and that always fights for what's best for gamers. If you have any questions, comments or ideas, feel free to address them to us below and TheEnigmaticT and I will answer them to the best of our abilities tomorrow. We hear you loud and clear, so please do continue sharing your feedback with us. At the end of the day GOG.com is your place; without you guys it would just be a website where a few crazy people from Europe talk about old games. :)

I end many of my emails with this, but there's rarely a time to use it more appropriately than here:

“Best DRM-free wishes,

Guillaume Rambourg,
(TheFrenchMonk)
Managing Director -- GOG.com”
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Ichwillnichtmehr: Yes, we all know how bad it is when people abandon things like "values" and "principles", right?
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Matruchus: Yeah especially everything is OK if you GOG abandon your values and principles right?
Ripping of is bad, if customers do it to GOG.com.

Ripping of is good, if GOG.com does it to customers.

It all depends on your frame of reference ;)
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Matruchus: Twisting my words. But yeah, most pig and cattle can be eaten raw here and there are meat products sold as this in the stores.

You can check it on the webseites of different eu stores if you dont trust me on that.
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lunah: If you truly believe Europe as no food poisoning, I can see why you have such an unrealistic perception of your society/continent.
Look you cant get any american produced meat products here since they are from eu viewpoint poisoned or geneticly changed, corrupted and that is not acceptable. We know that our food supply has a lot of phosphates and antibiotics in it but that is the only way to make food safe.
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Matruchus: Its not utopic its reality. Capitalist enemies in Europe are stopped at once by supreme court in Haag. Example: No Monsanto in Europe - genetic changed organisms forbidden - no food poisoning as in us. And the struggle for resourcess is artificial. There is no shortage if you have normal economy like we have - social market economy - free market is forbidden because of bad effects on the people. And nobody really needs a new Iphone every half a year. They tried this free economy and then we got the biggest recession because of all the corruption that free market economy brings.
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Bloodygoodgames: Weirdly, during the 20 odd years I lived in the US, I got food poisoning at least five or six times a year -- from Wendy's salad bars, a cheesecake from a local supermarket, sausages from another supermarket etc. That's because American food is loaded with chemicals, preservatives and is frankly not very fresh.

I've lived in Thailand now for 11 years, eat at streetside stalls all over Bangkok, and eat foods I never had access to in the US. The number of times I've had food poisoning in Thailand? In 11 years.......once.

Same in Europe. I've actually never had food poisoning in Europe, and I spent half of my life living there.
Exactly I was never food poisoned till now. It is almoust non existant here. Afterall sanitary inspection here is extreme.
And if it does happen you can be sure that that business where you got the poisoning can just close down.
Post edited February 28, 2014 by Matruchus
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Bloodygoodgames: And, if American companies can't do that the direct way, they'll steal your personal information and sell it onto the NSA.

What's hilarious, however, are the Americans still standing up for this way of life and the 'company's right to keep on making obscene profits' as if they oddly believe it benefits them. They are the ones usually getting screwed the most by the Googles, Apples and Microsofts of the world. At least Europeans have a bit more sense.

Personally, I can't wait until Angela Merkel has her way and Europe gets its own internet, so Europeans are no longer stuck with all our personal and private information going via American servers.
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Matruchus: Yeah agree on that. Google did say that they are going to move servers for European customers to Europe now. It is really bad the us is seeing europe as an enemy. for there can be no other explanation for spying on us.
I dumped all my American email and cloud service accounts as soon as I heard about the NSA spying on everyone and immediately switched to European ones.

I now use German, Spanish and Icelandic services. Wouldn't touch an American email service with a 10 foot pole :)
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TheEnigmaticT: Some of you feel betrayed by this change. I understand that. Some of you are incandescently angry about it. I'm sorry that we've made you so upset. Every change that we've made in the last 5 years has been a change that we believe will help make GOG.com bigger, bring us more gamers, and help us sign more big content DRM-Free on GOG. We're sorry if you feel we've betrayed everything that made us special to do so. It's your feelings, and it's your right to feel that way. I hope that, when you've had some time to cool down and some time to see what we're actually doing, you'll feel that we haven't let you down, in the end.
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kaileeena: That's exactly the reason why I am not supporting GOG anymore. As a company you dropped one of your core values (deleting it from main page and FAQ doesn't make it disappear), instead of respecting your customers' intelligence, you keep going in circles indicating its better for us and giving fake PR apologizes.

It seems that GOG is betting (maybe you have statistics supporting that), that people buy from GOG instead from Steam and others because of the value (better deal, more extras, maybe DRM-free) instead of supporting the values that GOG stands for. For me that's a bad bet, cause you converted a loyal customer to someone who is going to check for better deals.

Until GOG stop wasting time going in circles, and step-up and respect their customers again, I am certainly looking for better deals.

"Best core-values free wishes"
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hedwards: I realize that you're in PR and being paid to represent GOG here, but that's the same basic line of reasoning that manufacturers were using to claim that reducing the amount of the product provided for the price wasn't the same thing as a price increase.

And, they are paying more for those games. As has already been discussed ad infinitum, there's an additional 14% or so that's been tacked onto the price of those new releases in the EU that isn't explained by simply charging for VAT. And by fixing the value for the rest of the games to various local currency you pretty much assure folks that you're not going to be charging everybody the same rate on the other games as well. CC companies adjust their conversion rates daily, if not even more frequently than that.

If you want this whole thing to go away sooner rather than later, I would recommend that you stop insulting our intelligence. I'd wager that the general intelligence around here is well above average due to the games that you've focused on.

I think eventually everybody is going to either leave or lose interest, but the longer they keep insulting our intelligence, the more people are likely to leave rather than get over it.

I didn't feel this strongly about region pricing until they started to insult my intelligence by claiming that this is good news. It's at best neutral news for me as I'm not likely to be directly affected, but for some people, particularly in Eastern Europe, this is a really bad deal
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Matruchus: Yeah for the people that really have something in their head its really insulting.
Agreed 100%! I guess it is a sad truth that nothing good lasts long...
And I am also sorry that I just might get my next Witcher on other platform than GOG.
And regarding the classic titles, I guess we always had and will have Home of the Underdogs and Abandonia; which probably were what gave the business idea for GOG crew anyways and You did it fine ´till now.

When things change better for us, the gamers, I´ll "come back".

EDIT: Hah, I just realized this was my first post on GOG forums, well it shows how much this affair matters to me.
Post edited February 28, 2014 by Uhr78
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Matruchus: Yeah for the people that really have something in their head its really insulting.
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Uhr78: Agreed 100%! I guess it is a sad truth that nothing good lasts long...
And I am also sorry that I just might get my next Witcher on other platform than GOG.
And regarding the classic titles, I guess we always had and will have Home of the Underdogs and Abandonia; which probably were what gave the business idea for GOG crew anyways and You did it fine ´till now.

When things change better for us, the gamers, I´ll "come back".

EDIT: Hah, I just realized this was my first post on GOG forums, well it shows how much this affair matters to me.
Good for you. I never posted before in 3 years im on GOG but this really pissed me off. Oder besser gesagt ich war so aufgeregt ich konnte mich nicht aufhalten.
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Matruchus: Its not utopic its reality. Capitalist enemies in Europe are stopped at once by supreme court in Haag. Example: No Monsanto in Europe - genetic changed organisms forbidden - no food poisoning as in us. And the struggle for resourcess is artificial. There is no shortage if you have normal economy like we have - social market economy - free market is forbidden because of bad effects on the people. And nobody really needs a new Iphone every half a year. They tried this free economy and then we got the biggest recession because of all the corruption that free market economy brings.
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Bloodygoodgames: Weirdly, during the 20 odd years I lived in the US, I got food poisoning at least five or six times a year -- from Wendy's salad bars, a cheesecake from a local supermarket, sausages from another supermarket etc. That's because American food is loaded with chemicals, preservatives and is frankly not very fresh.

I've lived in Thailand now for 11 years, eat at streetside stalls all over Bangkok, and eat foods I never had access to in the US. The number of times I've had food poisoning in Thailand? In 11 years.......once.

Same in Europe. I've actually never had food poisoning in Europe, and I spent half of my life living there.
And many Americans who don't have issues in the U.S. travel to Europe or Asia and experience lots of food poisoning. Over time, people's digestive systems adapt to the food they are given. When they change foods, the digestive system is not used to it and food poisoning occurs. The food in Europe is no more safer or harmful than that in the U.S. In fact, the USFDA actually has much more stringent food storage/transport/processing rules than the EU, such as freezing time and temperature. Rember mad cow disease?
Post edited February 28, 2014 by lunah
It seems to me that AOW 3 beside it's extreme prising also will contain some limited DRM:

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Multiplayer notice: Currently, the multiplayer options available are: Hotseat and Online Multiplayer (requires a unique CD key which will be located in your game shelf and an on-line account with Triumph Studios).

I highlighted the important sentence here. ---

* So you will need a on-line account before you can play multi player (except for hot seat).
* There is no option for direct lan play (as is common these days.)
* so when the on line servers do not exist any more (that will happen in time). Or if your Internet briefly goes down ---
You cannot play a multi player game with a family member or a friend even if you own to copies of the game.

The lack of LAN play is (am I sure) deliberate and part of DRM.
Not as intrusive as it cold be, but still DRM. You have to register at a 3rd party company before you can play, remember new password and login. All pretty inconvenient for just playing a game with your brother or so.

All in all (in my opinion) the game is a really bad bargain in Europe. you pay 37% extra for a product witch likly is worse that average on GOG.
Post edited February 28, 2014 by Agrilla
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Matruchus: Yeah agree on that. Google did say that they are going to move servers for European customers to Europe now. It is really bad the us is seeing europe as an enemy. for there can be no other explanation for spying on us.
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Bloodygoodgames: I dumped all my American email and cloud service accounts as soon as I heard about the NSA spying on everyone and immediately switched to European ones.

I now use German, Spanish and Icelandic services. Wouldn't touch an American email service with a 10 foot pole :)
Are you sure European governments don't spy as well? How would you know? Because they tell you so?
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Bloodygoodgames: Weirdly, during the 20 odd years I lived in the US, I got food poisoning at least five or six times a year -- from Wendy's salad bars, a cheesecake from a local supermarket, sausages from another supermarket etc. That's because American food is loaded with chemicals, preservatives and is frankly not very fresh.

I've lived in Thailand now for 11 years, eat at streetside stalls all over Bangkok, and eat foods I never had access to in the US. The number of times I've had food poisoning in Thailand? In 11 years.......once.

Same in Europe. I've actually never had food poisoning in Europe, and I spent half of my life living there.
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lunah: And many Americans who don't have issues in the U.S. travel to Europe or Asia and experience lots of food poisoning. Over time, people's digestive systems adapt to the food they are given. When they suddenly change foods during travel, the digestive system is not used to it and food poisoning occurs. The food in Europe is no more safer or harmful than that in the U.S. In fact, the USFDA actually has much more stringent food storage/transport/processing rules than the EU, such as freezing time and temperature. Rember mad cow disease?
You do know that this happens to you because your food is genetically different/artificial in comparison to natural food and you can not digest that anymore. And if you trust to your governemnt agencies then you are not in your right mind. You can ask any european if they trust in their government agencies - they would say no. Maybe the acception would be germans but that is all.
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Bloodygoodgames: I dumped all my American email and cloud service accounts as soon as I heard about the NSA spying on everyone and immediately switched to European ones.

I now use German, Spanish and Icelandic services. Wouldn't touch an American email service with a 10 foot pole :)
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lunah: Are you sure European governments don't spy as well? How would you know? Because they tell you so?
They dont tell us about that. But its not part of our mind set. Its utterly alien to us. Its just not our culture - continental culture. Brits are different they are similar to you.

The same as US policy security first then privacy. Well ours is turned around first privacy then security. Privacy is paramount here.
Post edited February 28, 2014 by Matruchus
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Matruchus: Yeah for the people that really have something in their head its really insulting.
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Uhr78: Agreed 100%! I guess it is a sad truth that nothing good lasts long...
And I am also sorry that I just might get my next Witcher on other platform than GOG.
And regarding the classic titles, I guess we always had and will have Home of the Underdogs and Abandonia; which probably were what gave the business idea for GOG crew anyways and You did it fine ´till now.

When things change better for us, the gamers, I´ll "come back".

EDIT: Hah, I just realized this was my first post on GOG forums, well it shows how much this affair matters to me.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think I only ever posted in the "game forums" before. :)
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HypersomniacLive: The way I read the above is either no negotiations took place or they have zero negotiating power; either way, nth will actually differ with the next regionally priced game that comes here except for the pool of "compensation" games - and I put it this way, because if you're an old customer it's more likely than not that you already have those games and if you don't, you probably have no interest in them anyway.

As for AoW3's regional pricing, yes it looks completely bonkers, but it's not unlikely that it's based on the poor (imho) notion that prices are set taking markets size in account in order to make comparable profit on most (if not all) of them.
I won't read up the posts for the context since I don't have the time right now, but maybe he was at one point talking about the classic games, where they'd have the clout to influence publishers and then about the new games where they wouldn't have any influence over.
But they did mention they'd try to talk some sense into the publishers, so who knows. Maybe they'll get lucky with a few of them. Might also depend on sales etc.
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TheEnigmaticT: That's...actually pretty awesome. I hope you won't mind if we reply in kind. ;)
That was awesome. +11111111111
high rated
If you guys could cut out the America hate based on your ignorance of American values, that would be great. It is hardly a solely American idea that companies tend to choose profit over people. We don't need a health care or capitalism debate in this thread. Stay on topic.
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lunah: And many Americans who don't have issues in the U.S. travel to Europe or Asia and experience lots of food poisoning. Over time, people's digestive systems adapt to the food they are given. When they suddenly change foods during travel, the digestive system is not used to it and food poisoning occurs. The food in Europe is no more safer or harmful than that in the U.S. In fact, the USFDA actually has much more stringent food storage/transport/processing rules than the EU, such as freezing time and temperature. Rember mad cow disease?
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Matruchus: You do know that this happens to you because your food is genetically different/artificial in comparison to atural food and you can not digest that anymore. And if you trust to your governemnt agencies then you are not in your right mind. You can ask any european if they trust in their government agencies - they would say no. Maybe the acception would be germans but that is all.
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lunah: Are you sure European governments don't spy as well? How would you know? Because they tell you so?
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Matruchus: They dont tell us about that. But its not part of our mind set. Its utterly alien to us.

The same as US policy security first then privacy. Well ours is turned around first privacy then security.
Who is "us"? Your common people or the intelligence bureau of your government?

How would you know the secret policies of your governments most secret bureaus?

If you don't trust government agencies, then why do you trust a company so easily? If you trust your companies then you are not in your right mind.
Post edited February 28, 2014 by lunah
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Bloodygoodgames: I dumped all my American email and cloud service accounts as soon as I heard about the NSA spying on everyone and immediately switched to European ones.

I now use German, Spanish and Icelandic services. Wouldn't touch an American email service with a 10 foot pole :)
Unless you encrypt all your emails and cloud data, simply switching to European services will not make any difference.