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Hey Goggers;

As many of you know, we announced on last Friday that we are going to introduce regional pricing for 3 new games coming up on GOG.com soon. Looking at the amount of reactions (over 3,500 comments at this very moment), it is obvious that this change is making many of you guys worried. We must have failed to clearly explain why our pricing policy for (some) newer games will change and what this means as a matter of fact for our PC & MAC classic games, which account for over 80% of our catalogue.

To be honest, our announcement was a bit vague simply because our future pricing policy is not 100% set in stone yet and we were just worried to make any promises before it was. You know, GOG.com has been growing quickly (thanks to you!), and the more we grow, the more we are worried to make some of you guys disappointed. This is why we were so (over-)cautious with our announcement.

We should have just been upfront about why we've made these changes and what they mean for us in the future and what we're planning. So let's talk. To be clear: what I'm talking about below is our plan. It's a plan that we believe we can accomplish, but while it's what we want to do with GOG, it may change some before it actually sees the light of day. Please don’t blame me for talking open-heartedly today and telling you about the plans and pricing policy we want to fight for and eventually achieve. The below plans aren't sure. The only guarantee I can give you is that we’ll do our best to fight for gamers while still making sure GOG.com as a whole grows (because well, we still want to be around 50 years from now, you know!). So, enough for the introduction, let’s get things started.

Why does GOG.com need to offer newer games at all?

We've been in business for 5 years now, and we've signed a big percentage of all of the classic content that can be legally untangled. There are still some big companies left we're trying to bring into the GOG.com fold, like LucasArts, Microsoft, Take2 and Bethesda, but what classic titles will we sign in the future once we have those partners on-board? We need to sign newer games or else just fire everyone and keep selling the same limited catalog. Either we bring you “not so old” releases from 2010+ or brand-new AAA titles, because these will become classic games tomorrow. It’s as simple as that.

Also, well, we want to expand beyond just classic games, hence the fact we have been offering you brand-new indie releases for almost 2 years now. Why expanding? Well, obviously, because the more games we sell, the more legitimacy we have on the market and the more likely it is that we can achieve our mission: making all PC & MAC video games 100% DRM-free, whether classic or brand-new titles.

To be straightforward (excuse my French):DRM is shit-- we'll never have any of it. It treats legitimate customers like rubbish and pirates don't have to bother with it. It's bad for gamers, and it's also bad for business and our partners. We want to make it easy and convenient for users to buy and play games; rather than give piracy a try. Happy gamers equals a healthy gaming industry; and this is what we fight for. Anyway, I am sure you well know our opinions about DRM.

To make the world of gaming DRM-free, we need to convince top-tier publishers & developers to give us a try with new games, just like they did with classic games. We need to make more case studies for the gaming industry, just like we successfully did back in 2011 with The Witcher 2. It was our first ever 100% DRM-free AAA day-1 release. GOG.com was the 2nd best-selling digital distribution platform worldwide for this title thanks to you guys, despite having regional prices for it. We need more breakthroughs like this to be able to show all the devs and publishers in our industry that DRM-free digital distribution is actually good for their business and their fans. And when I say breakthroughs, I am talking about really kick-ass games, with a potential metacritic score of 85% or more, AA+ and AAA kind of titles.

And this is exactly why we signed those 3 games we told you about last Friday. We believe those 3 games can be massive hits for hardcore gamers, that they can help us spread the DRM-free model among the industry for newer games and we did our best to convince their rights holders to give GOG.com a try. One of those games, as you see already, is Age of Wonders 3. We're planning more titles even beyond these first 3 soon.

Alright, but why is regional pricing needed for those (only 3 so far!) newer games then?

First of all, you have to be aware of an important fact when it comes to newer games: GOG.com cannot really decide what the prices should be. Top-tier developers and publishers usually have contractual obligations with their retail partners that oblige them to offer the game at the same price digitally and in retail. When they don’t have such contractual obligations, they are still encouraged to do so, or else their games might not get any exposure on the shelves in your favorite shops. This will change over time (as digital sales should overtake retail sales in the near future), but as of today, this is still a problem our industry is facing because retail is a big chunk of revenue and there’s nothing GOG.com can do to change that. We need to charge the recommended retail price for the boxed copies of the games in order for developers (or publishers) to either not get sued or at least get their games visible on shelves. You may recall that our sister company CD Projekt RED got sued for that in the past and we don’t want our partners to suffer from that too.

On top of that, you have to know that there are still many top-tier devs and publishers that are scared about DRM-free gaming. They're half-convinced it will make piracy worse, and flat pricing means that we're also asking them to earn less, too. Earn less, you say? Why is that? Well, when we sell a game in the EU or UK, VAT gets deducted from the price before anyone receives any profit. That means we're asking our partners to try out DRM-free gaming and at the same time also earn 19% - 25% less from us. Other stores, such as Steam, price their games regionally and have pricing that's more equitable to developers and publishers. So flat pricing + DRM-Free is something many devs and publishers simply refuse. Can you blame them? The best argument we can make to convince a publisher or developer to try DRM-Free gaming is that it earns money. Telling them to sacrifice income while they try selling a game with no copy protection is not a way to make that argument.

Getting back to those 3 new upcoming games coming up. The first one is Age of Wonders 3, which you can pre-order right now on GOG.com. The next 2 ones will be Divine Divinity: Original Sin and The Witcher 3. We’re very excited to offer those games DRM-free worldwide and we hope you’ll love them.

Still, we know some countries are really being screwed with regional pricing (Western Europe, UK, Australia) and as mentioned above, we’ll do our very best, for every release of a new game, to convince our partners to offer something special for the gamers living there.

And don’t forget guys: if regional pricing for those few big (as in, “AA+”) new games is a problem for you, you can always wait. In a few months. The game will be discounted on sale, and at 60, 70, or 80% off, the price difference will be minimal indeed. In a few years it will become a classic in its own right, and then we have the possibility to to make it flat-priced anyway (read next!) The choice is always yours. All we are after is to present it to you 100% DRM-free. We are sure you will make the best choice for yourself, and let others enjoy their own freedom to make choices as well.

So, what is going to happen with classic games then?

Classic content accounts for about 80% of our catalog, so yes, this is a super important topic. We've mentioned here above that we can’t control prices for new games, but we do have a lot of influence when it comes to classic games. GOG.com is the store that made this market visible and viable digitally, and we're the ones who established the prices we charge. We believe that we have a good record to argue for fair pricing with our partners.

So let's talk about the pricing for classics that we're shooting for. For $5.99 classics, we would like to make the games 3.49 GBP, 4.49 EUR, 199 RUB, and $6.49 AUD. For $9.99 classics, our targets are 5.99 GBP, 7.49 EUR, 349 RUB, and $10.99 AUD. This is what we’ve got in mind at the moment. We’ll do our best to make that happen, and we think it will. How? Well, we have made our partners quite happy with GOG.com's sales for years - thanks to you guys :). We have created a global, legal, successful digital distribution market of classics for them. This market didn't exist 5 years ago. By (re)making all those games compatible with modern operating systems for MAC and PC, we've made forgotten games profitable again. When it comes to classic games, we can tell them that we know more about this market than anyone. :) Being retrogaming freaks ourselves, we know that 5.99 EUR or GBP is crazy expensive for a classic game (compared to 5.99 USD). We have always argued that classic games only sell well if they have reasonable prices. Unfair regional pricing equals piracy and that’s the last thing anybody wants.

What’s next?

We will do our very best to make all of the above happen. This means three things:

First, we will work to make our industry go DRM-free in the future for both classic and new games (that’s our mission!).

Second, we will fight hard to have an attractive offer for those AA+ new games for our European, British and Australian users, despite regional pricing that we have to stick to.

Third, we will switch to fair local pricing for classic games, as I mentioned above.

TheEnigmaticT earlier mentioned that he would eat his hat if we ever brought DRM to GOG.com. I'm going to go one step further: by the end of this year, I'm making the promise that we will have converted our classic catalog over to fair regional pricing as outlined above. If not, we'll set up a record a video of some horrible public shaming for me, TheEnigmaticT, and w0rma. In fact, you know what? Feel free to make suggestions below for something appropriate (but also safe enough that we won't get the video banned on YouTube) so you feel that we're motivated to get this done quickly. I'll pick one that's scary enough from the comments below and we'll let you know which one we're sticking to.

I hope that this explanation has helped ease your worry a bit and help you keep your faith in GOG.com as a place that's different, awesome, and that always fights for what's best for gamers. If you have any questions, comments or ideas, feel free to address them to us below and TheEnigmaticT and I will answer them to the best of our abilities tomorrow. We hear you loud and clear, so please do continue sharing your feedback with us. At the end of the day GOG.com is your place; without you guys it would just be a website where a few crazy people from Europe talk about old games. :)

I end many of my emails with this, but there's rarely a time to use it more appropriately than here:

“Best DRM-free wishes,

Guillaume Rambourg,
(TheFrenchMonk)
Managing Director -- GOG.com”
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Wolfsherz: So, you take a lot of words to tell European Customers that the prices on GOG actually increase.

$9.99 is not €7,49! ==> Should be €7,26
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TheEnigmaticT: You mean to tell me that your currency exchange fees are less than 26 eurocents?
I'm not the one who you referred to but yes, I pay less than 26 cents. I would pay about 13 cents.
I have seen a lot of companies who started out with high ideals and throw them away one after the other, but I never throw away my ideals and this is what I will do with GOG too. I will still survive if I don't give you my money, but will you?
Until this regional pricing bullshit (that is what I think of it for different reasons) stays, my money stays in my pockets. For me, it is as simple as that, so I need no more discussions about it.
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blotunga: I have a great idea for this regional pricing stuff. Why not make it 1 currency unit = 1 USD everywhere!! So for me it would be 40 lei (about 12 USD) instead of 55.
Don't you mean rubels? ;]
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woosad: Maybe GOG will do nothing to prevent cheating with proxy/vpn, because, regional prices implemented to please publishers & developers and GOG just close its eyes about the fact that Russia suddenly jump on the first place for AAA purchases :)
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Darkalex6: And publishers will not press on GOG to implement regional locks. And GOG will not comply to publishers wishes only to sell bigger variety of games. Right.
I dont belive in possibility of regional locks here. To complicated, pointless and smells strongly like DRM.
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john_hatcher: Until this regional pricing bullshit (that is what I think of it for different reasons) stays, my money stays in my pockets. For me, it is as simple as that, so I need no more discussions about it.
See guys, that's the way to do it. With no drama, goodbye posts, etc. Everyone chooses for themselves, the idea is not to make it overdramatic.

Now, where were we? ;-)
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Shendue: I love how everyone is ok with people expressing different opinions but when those different opinions diverge from yours, suddenly, it's no more legitimate criticism, despite being supported by pages and pages of perfectly logical arguments expressed politely, but just 'drama'.
I guess calling names and disrespecting people expressing their thoughts with the usual overabused trite concepts like "whiny", "people always complain", "drama queens", "overreacting" and so on is an appropriate answer when you can't actually articulate anything better because the "drama queen" people arguments are stronger and more logical.
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cmdr_flashheart: Am I telling you to shut up?
I got called a lobotomized sheep for disagreeing so I wouldn't bother trying to have an opposing opinion cmdr_flashheart.
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Ichwillnichtmehr: Just a hypothetical question:

IF the people who do not like that GOG.com abandoned one of it's core values vote with their wallet, and IF that is enough to get GOG.com to go back to DRM-free + flat price(But less new games as a result), would the people who are okay with this decision leave GOG.com for other stores were they have all the newest games?
A reversal would be disappointing but so long as GOG sticks to DRM-free distribution I wouldn't leave. I just might not have anything to buy. :(
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Shendue: First it was DLCs
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Magnitus: If DLCs get out of hand, I'll just wait longer to get my games.

Overall, I haven't seen anything excessive yet. They have been more like expans so far.

I don't see much worth complaining about here.

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Shendue: and they promised that DRM-Free and no regional prices would stay.
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Magnitus: And regional prices are staying for the bulk of their catalog, but they can't negotiate them for new games.

To be frank though, DRM-free is the main one I care about.

If it means more DRM-free, please, by all means, ditch uniform prices already.

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Shendue: Then they give up on regional prices, but they promise it's only for 3 games. Then in a few days ALL games are getting regional prices, including old ones, but they promise the prices will be fair.
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Magnitus: I think you are taking it too far.

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Shendue: It's not a matter of 3 games. It's a matter of trust. Nobody trusts a liar. If they keep promising and then they continuously betray those promises, i think it's only logical that people won't trust them anymore.
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Magnitus: Complete trust is for fools, especially when corps are involved.

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Shendue: Maybe tomorrow it will be DRMs.
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Magnitus: Na, they got too much riding on that one.

Uniform prices was a faint drone in the background.

DRM-free is what they are screaming at the top of their lungs.

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Shendue: It's not being melodramatic. It's being logical.
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Magnitus: I appreciate that you are currently frustrated, but I'm with spyder on this one.
I'm hardly frustrated. As a matter of fact, as a collector, i already own more games than i will be able to play in a lifetime, so even if GOG goes all-DRM in 5 minutes, that wouldn't give me a scratch.
But i don't see why i should stay silent when a service i like basically gives the middle finger to a part of his customers, including me, to make the site more appealing for a wider audience.
As a matter of principle, i believe that customers SHOULD (not could, SHOULD) complain when they disagree with what is an unfair behaviour. And i mean that as a general principle, not just about GOG. Different people have different thoughts, behaviours and sensibilities. I am like this. You're not? Fine. But that doesn't make me melodramatic or frustrated. It makes me just, well, me and not you.
Also, uniform prices was a VERY major selling point for them. You just didn't get it because that wasn't what YOU were mostly interested about. You can't expect everyone to be in your shoes.
About your other points, i respect your thoughts on the subject, but i humbly disagree. I guess everyone is entitled to his opinion.
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Darkalex6: And publishers will not press on GOG to implement regional locks. And GOG will not comply to publishers wishes only to sell bigger variety of games. Right.
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woosad: I dont belive in possibility of regional locks here. To complicated, pointless and smells strongly like DRM.
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Darkalex6: And publishers will not press on GOG to implement regional locks. And GOG will not comply to publishers wishes only to sell bigger variety of games. Right.
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woosad: I dont belive in possibility of regional locks here. To complicated, pointless and smells strongly like DRM.
Well, I have already posted this in this thread but i will repeat myself - TET said that he sees regional locks may happen.

Source: http://www.gog.com/forum/general/announcement_big_preorders_launch_day_releases_coming/?staff=yes
Page 1, TET answer somewhere in the middle of the page:
Question by Gandos: "However, before I decide how to proceed in light of this, I would like to ask two questions and I hope someone from the GOG team will be willing to answer me:
- Does the introduction of regional pricing also mean the introduction of regional lockout? Meaning, are we going to start seeing things like games not being available for purchase in certain regions or only being available in censored form? (...)"

Answer by TeT: "For the first one, I dunno. We don't currently have any agreements in place where this is going to happen. If it ever comes up in the future where someone can't find the rights for, I dunno, Mauritania or Turkey, yeah. I can see us doing that. "

It's the logical move forward from regional pricing, to prevent clients from buying games via friends in other countries.
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Lilim: Sure, that's understandable and 100% correct. Yet if you encourage the community to ask questions and claim to provide at least some answers "tomorrow" (that is today) - you shouldn't be surprised that some people actually believed you on that and are waiting for at least a little something in that regard.
Just saying that if I was them and staring at 1.5k+ posts, I wouldn't know where to begin in terms of assigning limited human ressources to reply and address concerns.

Global announcements is probably the best approach.

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Ichwillnichtmehr: Don't get me wrong, I would like them to bring more games(wether new or old, AAA or AA+ or ABC) to GOG.com.

I just don't want them to go back on their core values for this, especially when even you, someone who is in favor of this decision, won't buy the games right now.

If that's the case, they could have just waited until the publisher accepted to sell the game with uniform prices.
I'm just cheap. I refuse to pay high prices for games on principle.

I'm assuming global markets will hopefully adopt a similar mindset.

If price X is right, I'll get a game even if another country is paying at price Y which is a buck cheaper.

If I feel gouged by the price, I'll skip.

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Shendue: As a matter of principle, i believe that customers SHOULD (not could, SHOULD) complain when they disagree with what is an unfair behaviour.
Also, uniform prices was a VERY major selling point for them. You just didn't get it because that wasn't what YOU were mostly interested about. You can't expect everyone to be in your shoes.
About your other points, i respect your thoughts on the subject, but i humbly disagree. I guess everyone is entitled to his opinion.
Fair enough, but it's not affecting me, because I'm oblivious to what they are paying for in other countries.

All I know is what is a reasonable price for me given the income I make and what I'm accustomed to pay for for games.

If they rise the price sharply, it's certainly their right. I'll just get fewer (perhaps even no) game.

However, I got some games at ridiculously low prices on promos. Even if they had inflated those prices by 130%, I would still have gotten the games.
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john_hatcher: Until this regional pricing bullshit (that is what I think of it for different reasons) stays, my money stays in my pockets. For me, it is as simple as that, so I need no more discussions about it.
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Lilim: See guys, that's the way to do it. With no drama, goodbye posts, etc. Everyone chooses for themselves, the idea is not to make it overdramatic.

Now, where were we? ;-)
I'm not exactly sure, if you are being a little sarcastic here, but the above post is simply my opinion and I will not stop you from discussing for the next 80 odr so pages, but I have made my decision and wanted to let the Gog staff know. And that is it for me, for now.
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cmdr_flashheart: About Steam "DRM-free" games: there's no reliability in making them work. There are several games on the list, which I tried to make work, but they didn't. I didn't get any support in this case because Steam games are not meant to be used that way.
Well, there are Steam games which *ARE* DRM-free, and there are games which *CAN BE TWEAKED* DRM-free. If you download any of the games which are DRM-free as is, they WILL work. I have tried. They work.

Of course any games which require registry hacks, patches and such to work without Steam client are another thing. Too bad if the hacks didn't work for you, but that can happen.

But those Steam games which are DRM-free are sometimes the very same files you find here, for example, just the method of downloading is different.

Of course the best thing is to buy DRM-free, that's true.


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cmdr_flashheart: About Devs: come on, now I am supposed to keep track of 1000+ devs and the 1000+ accounts I will have to make with them to play/maintain/get support for their games? Way to make an appealing sale.
It is an option.
Basically all you need is an Excel file in alphabetical order to keep track of your games. That's what I do.
Each game has it's own row, which shows what medium the game uses (disk, CD, DVD, file), there's a column indicating whether or not there's a patch for the game, there's a column for the online store where the game was bought from, etc.

So if I need to find all games that I have on GOG, I don't need to login to GOG service, I simply load my Excel file and use a "GOG" filter, and there it is.


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cmdr_flashheart: I still don't understand why people find it unacceptable to wait till the right time to buy games.
Me neither. There's always going to be a price drop, if the price itself is the issue.
But the thing is, with regional pricing "the next guy" is always getting the better deal, at least where I live in. So no matter how long you wait, you don't get that fair price.

It is not unacceptable to wait for the right price, it is unacceptable that one must MOVE OUT OF THE COUNTRY for the right price.
Or just accept being ripped off game purchase after game purchase.


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cmdr_flashheart: @ your other post: good for you. But since you've never experienced service from other stores, my guess is that that's why you're not understanding why GOG is not unique in having to follow the rules which have been laid out for it.
1) What made GOG so unique to begin with, was that they chose not to follow the rules, but instead, laid a set of rules of their own. Which they made their very visible PR points. And which they have now, later, abandoned, and try to sell that policy change to us as great news.

2) Just because I haven't bought from the stores you mentioned, assuming that I have "never experienced service from other stores" is making up facts which have nothing to do with real facts.

The fact is, that I have about 1500 legal PC games in my collection.
Admittedly, some of those are remaining from the times when I used to write game reviews as a freelancer, and in addition to a small writing fee, I got to keep the games (with only one exception, which was some Star Trek game).

I have also bought bundles from HIB, IR, BIAB, Groupees and few other places, I have bought from DotEmu and so on. Not to mention Kickstarting several games and buying straight from the developers.

So while I haven't experienced the pleasure of being a paying Steam customer*, I believe that even with my limited understanding, I am entitled to voicing my opinion.

* = I did once "buy" a commercial game from Steam with a 100% discount though, if that matters. And yes, I can run that game without any Steam client installed.
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Ichwillnichtmehr: Just a hypothetical question:

IF the people who do not like that GOG.com abandoned one of it's core values vote with their wallet, and IF that is enough to get GOG.com to go back to DRM-free + flat price(But less new games as a result), would the people who are okay with this decision leave GOG.com for other stores were they have all the newest games?
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Snickersnack: A reversal would be disappointing but so long as GOG sticks to DRM-free distribution I wouldn't leave. I just might not have anything to buy. :(
You don't think there would be anything in GOG.com's old catalogue, or in the new(hypothetically less AAA/AA+) releases that would interest you?
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Lilim: See guys, that's the way to do it. With no drama, goodbye posts, etc. Everyone chooses for themselves, the idea is not to make it overdramatic.
But that is boring and no fun and this thread would not even exist
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Three games they said - now the whole catalog?

First of all this is a "hidden" price increase.
$5.99 = € 4.38 (not 4.49)
$9.99 = € 7.31 (not 7.49)
$44.99 = € 32.92 (not 39.99)

GOG had three principles when I joined:

1) DRM-free
2) One world, one price
3) Great (uncensored) games with a lot of goodies

Now, one principle is gone. I wonder what will follow. Censored games for Germans? I mean, these things are everything I hate about Steam.

I'm sad. GOG lost the war.
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Lilim: Blue text posts? All 4 of them? All posted within an hour from the letter itself :-)

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/letter_from_the_md_about_regional_pricing/?staff=yes
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boldee: Tbh if I was on the GoG team I would have given up replying because no matter what they say it isn't going to be good enough.
Regardless, they asked for feedback and questions, and in my view, some pertinent issues have been raised, and appropriate questions have been asked. Even if the GOG team have no further details on particular issues at this time, it would be simple enough to say as much, rather than not reply, and leave people wondering. Remaining silent is a stonewalling tactic that won't help to defuse the situation.