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Hey Goggers;

As many of you know, we announced on last Friday that we are going to introduce regional pricing for 3 new games coming up on GOG.com soon. Looking at the amount of reactions (over 3,500 comments at this very moment), it is obvious that this change is making many of you guys worried. We must have failed to clearly explain why our pricing policy for (some) newer games will change and what this means as a matter of fact for our PC & MAC classic games, which account for over 80% of our catalogue.

To be honest, our announcement was a bit vague simply because our future pricing policy is not 100% set in stone yet and we were just worried to make any promises before it was. You know, GOG.com has been growing quickly (thanks to you!), and the more we grow, the more we are worried to make some of you guys disappointed. This is why we were so (over-)cautious with our announcement.

We should have just been upfront about why we've made these changes and what they mean for us in the future and what we're planning. So let's talk. To be clear: what I'm talking about below is our plan. It's a plan that we believe we can accomplish, but while it's what we want to do with GOG, it may change some before it actually sees the light of day. Please don’t blame me for talking open-heartedly today and telling you about the plans and pricing policy we want to fight for and eventually achieve. The below plans aren't sure. The only guarantee I can give you is that we’ll do our best to fight for gamers while still making sure GOG.com as a whole grows (because well, we still want to be around 50 years from now, you know!). So, enough for the introduction, let’s get things started.

Why does GOG.com need to offer newer games at all?

We've been in business for 5 years now, and we've signed a big percentage of all of the classic content that can be legally untangled. There are still some big companies left we're trying to bring into the GOG.com fold, like LucasArts, Microsoft, Take2 and Bethesda, but what classic titles will we sign in the future once we have those partners on-board? We need to sign newer games or else just fire everyone and keep selling the same limited catalog. Either we bring you “not so old” releases from 2010+ or brand-new AAA titles, because these will become classic games tomorrow. It’s as simple as that.

Also, well, we want to expand beyond just classic games, hence the fact we have been offering you brand-new indie releases for almost 2 years now. Why expanding? Well, obviously, because the more games we sell, the more legitimacy we have on the market and the more likely it is that we can achieve our mission: making all PC & MAC video games 100% DRM-free, whether classic or brand-new titles.

To be straightforward (excuse my French):DRM is shit-- we'll never have any of it. It treats legitimate customers like rubbish and pirates don't have to bother with it. It's bad for gamers, and it's also bad for business and our partners. We want to make it easy and convenient for users to buy and play games; rather than give piracy a try. Happy gamers equals a healthy gaming industry; and this is what we fight for. Anyway, I am sure you well know our opinions about DRM.

To make the world of gaming DRM-free, we need to convince top-tier publishers & developers to give us a try with new games, just like they did with classic games. We need to make more case studies for the gaming industry, just like we successfully did back in 2011 with The Witcher 2. It was our first ever 100% DRM-free AAA day-1 release. GOG.com was the 2nd best-selling digital distribution platform worldwide for this title thanks to you guys, despite having regional prices for it. We need more breakthroughs like this to be able to show all the devs and publishers in our industry that DRM-free digital distribution is actually good for their business and their fans. And when I say breakthroughs, I am talking about really kick-ass games, with a potential metacritic score of 85% or more, AA+ and AAA kind of titles.

And this is exactly why we signed those 3 games we told you about last Friday. We believe those 3 games can be massive hits for hardcore gamers, that they can help us spread the DRM-free model among the industry for newer games and we did our best to convince their rights holders to give GOG.com a try. One of those games, as you see already, is Age of Wonders 3. We're planning more titles even beyond these first 3 soon.

Alright, but why is regional pricing needed for those (only 3 so far!) newer games then?

First of all, you have to be aware of an important fact when it comes to newer games: GOG.com cannot really decide what the prices should be. Top-tier developers and publishers usually have contractual obligations with their retail partners that oblige them to offer the game at the same price digitally and in retail. When they don’t have such contractual obligations, they are still encouraged to do so, or else their games might not get any exposure on the shelves in your favorite shops. This will change over time (as digital sales should overtake retail sales in the near future), but as of today, this is still a problem our industry is facing because retail is a big chunk of revenue and there’s nothing GOG.com can do to change that. We need to charge the recommended retail price for the boxed copies of the games in order for developers (or publishers) to either not get sued or at least get their games visible on shelves. You may recall that our sister company CD Projekt RED got sued for that in the past and we don’t want our partners to suffer from that too.

On top of that, you have to know that there are still many top-tier devs and publishers that are scared about DRM-free gaming. They're half-convinced it will make piracy worse, and flat pricing means that we're also asking them to earn less, too. Earn less, you say? Why is that? Well, when we sell a game in the EU or UK, VAT gets deducted from the price before anyone receives any profit. That means we're asking our partners to try out DRM-free gaming and at the same time also earn 19% - 25% less from us. Other stores, such as Steam, price their games regionally and have pricing that's more equitable to developers and publishers. So flat pricing + DRM-Free is something many devs and publishers simply refuse. Can you blame them? The best argument we can make to convince a publisher or developer to try DRM-Free gaming is that it earns money. Telling them to sacrifice income while they try selling a game with no copy protection is not a way to make that argument.

Getting back to those 3 new upcoming games coming up. The first one is Age of Wonders 3, which you can pre-order right now on GOG.com. The next 2 ones will be Divine Divinity: Original Sin and The Witcher 3. We’re very excited to offer those games DRM-free worldwide and we hope you’ll love them.

Still, we know some countries are really being screwed with regional pricing (Western Europe, UK, Australia) and as mentioned above, we’ll do our very best, for every release of a new game, to convince our partners to offer something special for the gamers living there.

And don’t forget guys: if regional pricing for those few big (as in, “AA+”) new games is a problem for you, you can always wait. In a few months. The game will be discounted on sale, and at 60, 70, or 80% off, the price difference will be minimal indeed. In a few years it will become a classic in its own right, and then we have the possibility to to make it flat-priced anyway (read next!) The choice is always yours. All we are after is to present it to you 100% DRM-free. We are sure you will make the best choice for yourself, and let others enjoy their own freedom to make choices as well.

So, what is going to happen with classic games then?

Classic content accounts for about 80% of our catalog, so yes, this is a super important topic. We've mentioned here above that we can’t control prices for new games, but we do have a lot of influence when it comes to classic games. GOG.com is the store that made this market visible and viable digitally, and we're the ones who established the prices we charge. We believe that we have a good record to argue for fair pricing with our partners.

So let's talk about the pricing for classics that we're shooting for. For $5.99 classics, we would like to make the games 3.49 GBP, 4.49 EUR, 199 RUB, and $6.49 AUD. For $9.99 classics, our targets are 5.99 GBP, 7.49 EUR, 349 RUB, and $10.99 AUD. This is what we’ve got in mind at the moment. We’ll do our best to make that happen, and we think it will. How? Well, we have made our partners quite happy with GOG.com's sales for years - thanks to you guys :). We have created a global, legal, successful digital distribution market of classics for them. This market didn't exist 5 years ago. By (re)making all those games compatible with modern operating systems for MAC and PC, we've made forgotten games profitable again. When it comes to classic games, we can tell them that we know more about this market than anyone. :) Being retrogaming freaks ourselves, we know that 5.99 EUR or GBP is crazy expensive for a classic game (compared to 5.99 USD). We have always argued that classic games only sell well if they have reasonable prices. Unfair regional pricing equals piracy and that’s the last thing anybody wants.

What’s next?

We will do our very best to make all of the above happen. This means three things:

First, we will work to make our industry go DRM-free in the future for both classic and new games (that’s our mission!).

Second, we will fight hard to have an attractive offer for those AA+ new games for our European, British and Australian users, despite regional pricing that we have to stick to.

Third, we will switch to fair local pricing for classic games, as I mentioned above.

TheEnigmaticT earlier mentioned that he would eat his hat if we ever brought DRM to GOG.com. I'm going to go one step further: by the end of this year, I'm making the promise that we will have converted our classic catalog over to fair regional pricing as outlined above. If not, we'll set up a record a video of some horrible public shaming for me, TheEnigmaticT, and w0rma. In fact, you know what? Feel free to make suggestions below for something appropriate (but also safe enough that we won't get the video banned on YouTube) so you feel that we're motivated to get this done quickly. I'll pick one that's scary enough from the comments below and we'll let you know which one we're sticking to.

I hope that this explanation has helped ease your worry a bit and help you keep your faith in GOG.com as a place that's different, awesome, and that always fights for what's best for gamers. If you have any questions, comments or ideas, feel free to address them to us below and TheEnigmaticT and I will answer them to the best of our abilities tomorrow. We hear you loud and clear, so please do continue sharing your feedback with us. At the end of the day GOG.com is your place; without you guys it would just be a website where a few crazy people from Europe talk about old games. :)

I end many of my emails with this, but there's rarely a time to use it more appropriately than here:

“Best DRM-free wishes,

Guillaume Rambourg,
(TheFrenchMonk)
Managing Director -- GOG.com”
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I guess I could have tolerated regional pricing for some of those new big titles. I can, sort of, understand GOG's reasoning regarding them. And I very rarely buy games on release day in any case, because if you have the patience to wait for a few months, the prices always come down quickly. Besides, my backlog is already so long that I really don't need any new games for years to come.

But the decision to have regional pricing for *everything* is what really pisses me off. And we're expected to take that as good news! Are the retail stores dictating that move too? Which one of them still has games from the 1980s and 1990s on their shelves just waiting for people to buy them at a ridiculously high price?

So no, I'm not going to be happy about having to pay more for games simply because I'm living in Europe, especially not for the old games. Sure, with the old games we're only talking about cents here, but over time even the cents do add up.

GOG isn't on the brink of bankruptcy. This is not a decision that was made out of desperation to save them from financial ruin.

I'm not going to burn bridges and ragequit, but I'm not going to hide my disappointment either. GOG had something special going on here, and part of that has now been ruined.
Wow, 50+ pages posting about this issue !
On a more serious note, this regional pricing thing got me a bit worried as well, as the Paypal account I use to pay on GOG is an american one, and thus its default currency is USD. So, what do you think this change will mean for people in the same situation as me ? Will the payment amount be converted from dollars, to euros, to dollars again or will it be paid straight away in dollars ?
Also, I agree that the biggest issue here isn't so much regional pricing (which is pretty much a standard in digital distribution nowadays), but GOG not sticking to their guns and changing their position regarding this issue seemingly overnight, which has made many people lose their trust to GOG and worry that maybe it will abandon its other "core values" -for example, introduce drm. I will personally continue to shop from GOG, mainly because it lets me download my games wherever I want (I underlined that one, as my internet connection at home reaches 350/400 kbs per second max.(using the GOG downloader) , while at uni -I'm a university student- it reaches 1,5 mbs per second max. -that's double the speed, and the uni doesn't have steam installed on its pcs, naturally, and my internet connection being not very good and all, I practically can't download games with steam-I tried once and it wanted 24 hours to complete the download, with the speed being only 50 kbs per second).

P.S. Anyways, I would highly appreciate it if anybody could answer my initial question(1st paragraph of my wall of text) ; this can help me decide better whether to continue shopping from GOG or stop (for now at least) and concentrate on my backlog- and also help other who may have the same question, but haven't asked it yet- or have, but I don't feel like wading through all these posts.
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XTRMNTR2K: The simple truth is:

Regional pricing is never fair to the customer.

Sorry, gog, but dropping the second bomb - adding regional pricing for ALL of your catalogue - was too much. I just deleted my wishlist since I no longer have any interest of buying games from you. I will also soon backup all of my 83 games I bought here, just in case, you know, you also decide to dump your second core principle of not including any DRM.

You just lost another customer, and I'm sure I'm not the only one you lost because of this bullshit.
I just came back on to do exactly the same thing - deleted my wishlist of a couple of hundred games and am just finishing up downloading the 112 games I have on GOG to my external harddrive (took me part of yesterday and some of today, but almost all my games are now downloaded). After those are downloaded, I have no reason to come back here. :(

Not unless I hear GOG has decided not to add regional pricing. Not holding my breath.
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XTRMNTR2K: The simple truth is:

Regional pricing is never fair to the customer.

Sorry, gog, but dropping the second bomb - adding regional pricing for ALL of your catalogue - was too much. I just deleted my wishlist since I no longer have any interest of buying games from you. I will also soon backup all of my 83 games I bought here, just in case, you know, you also decide to dump your second core principle of not including any DRM.

You just lost another customer, and I'm sure I'm not the only one you lost because of this bullshit.
Lol, a drama-quit ^^
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JohnnyDollar: Neither of those make any sense to me though. My feeling is that GOG have long term goals, and they have had to change some policies in order to step closer to reaching those goals, but I don't think the goal is to become irrelevant or suicide.
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Mr_GeO: You mean long term goals like, "provide games to the gamers with fair, one world price"? I'm su...
Oh wait...
Fu#k...
If you look at the post I quoted, it's obvious that that post and my reply are referring to GOG and the prospect of ever reversing DRM-free.
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XTRMNTR2K: The simple truth is:

Regional pricing is never fair to the customer.

Sorry, gog, but dropping the second bomb - adding regional pricing for ALL of your catalogue - was too much. I just deleted my wishlist since I no longer have any interest of buying games from you. I will also soon backup all of my 83 games I bought here, just in case, you know, you also decide to dump your second core principle of not including any DRM.

You just lost another customer, and I'm sure I'm not the only one you lost because of this bullshit.
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Bloodygoodgames: I just came back on to do exactly the same thing - deleted my wishlist of a couple of hundred games and am just finishing up downloading the 112 games I have on GOG to my external harddrive (took me part of yesterday and some of today, but almost all my games are now downloaded). After those are downloaded, I have no reason to come back here. :(

Not unless I hear GOG has decided not to add regional pricing. Not holding my breath.
..and another one :D
Post edited February 26, 2014 by inc09nito
Thank you for the letter, GOG. Even though it has arrived on the late side. I appreciated it. The point of sincerity being, that you took the time to explain to us how things are in reality, because we are worth it. Other companies would have thought us too "dumb" to get it, or considered it none of our business as the customers are cash cows to be milked, nothing more.

Apparently, it is little realized, just how fiercely retail and digital are in direct competition with each other. If you don't make your prices "unfair" for your digital customers (regional pricing), we will not host your game on our store shelves. And main developers/publishers can't afford the loss of retail revenue as it still accounts for a significant amount of profit. Ironically, because of this, we gamers have nice things like sales every so often, so that the digital retailers can compete. If retail fully dies, which means prices can go back to being "one-world pricing", all those 50%, 60%, 75% off sales will also die, as digital will now be the monopoly.

Can't say I'm against localized pricing (not the same as regional pricing). If I get to buy in my currency, I don't have to pay conversion/bank fees, and while I can't take advantage of cheaper currencies, I would be protected if my currency tanks hard against, say, the USD.

To me, DRM-Free means the most. GOG is the only place to get games truly DRM-Free, because they actually enforce DRM-Free on all their games sold here. Quite different from letting DRM/No-DRM be a choice.

If a title is too costly for me, I'm the pretty patient sort and shall wait for the regular summer/winter sales, where I do most of my game buying.

As such I will continue to support GOG, till they change their stance on DRM. However, the team do seem like good folks, so I'm hoping I will never see that day.
Post edited February 26, 2014 by Nicole28
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Niggles: Talk about overdramatic. Well thats two. Hope you and your buddy enjoy life.
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darthspudius: You took the words out of my keyboard. I can understand people not being happy but there is a few drama queens roaming around.
This place is called, yo know "Community forum". Apart from numerous other activities possible here, people, which are part of GOG community can go there and verbose their opinion about GOG related stuff.
And this is exactly what they are doing.
And no, they are not acting as (let me quote): "being an asshole". They are pretty civil. As the matter of fact, it's you guys, with your name calling and your sense of superiority over these (let me quote agaian) "drama queens" are matching the definition of "asshole" pretty close.
Post edited February 26, 2014 by Mr_GeO
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XTRMNTR2K: The simple truth is:

Regional pricing is never fair to the customer.

Sorry, gog, but dropping the second bomb - adding regional pricing for ALL of your catalogue - was too much. I just deleted my wishlist since I no longer have any interest of buying games from you. I will also soon backup all of my 83 games I bought here, just in case, you know, you also decide to dump your second core principle of not including any DRM.

You just lost another customer, and I'm sure I'm not the only one you lost because of this bullshit.
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inc09nito: Lol, a drama-quit ^^
Right.

Because it makes a LOT more sense to keep supporting a company whose principles you don't agree with, who just went back on one of the core values its been selling for years, and generally doesn't give a damn about what their customers think about it either.

Good luck with that.

Me? I work hard for my money and so choose to spend it at ethical companies, and not clearly dodgy ones.
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Trilarion: And $55 in germany for AoW3 while $17 for AoW3 in russia is brutal. Don't know how anyone can even try to sugarcoat this.
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Neobr10: Maybe because the average income in Russia is much lower than in Germany? Anyway, they're following the standard set by other digital stores (like Steam) when it comes to Russia. There is no reason for russians to buy games on GOG when it's much cheaper to buy on Steam (since Steam has lower price points for Russia, and of course i'm not taking into account people that hate Steam's DRM). GOG can't compete with Steam on Russia, and that's a really huge market for gaming.

I think regional pricing is not inherently a bad thing. It's a double edged sword. It can be used to screw up some countries (like Australia and UK), but it can also be a good thing when countries with lower income get lower prices (like Russia). No matter how much you twist it, the fact is that the world is not homogeneous. The average russian does not have as much money to spend on entertainment as the average german.
Unfortunately we all aren't just averages. There will still be people in germany and people in russia where the situation is reverse. In these cases the situation is particularly screwed. But yes this is a point. I agree partly. Still I think that three times more is brutal and not justified by differences in income.

On the other hand you don't really want this extreme adaption or people here will stop buying this. A price should also have a dependence on the effort to create and deliver the product which is the same for all of us. What is the meaning in earning more if you then have to spend more on the same things?

And there are cases when it just doesn't fit at all with the average salary, when the regional prices are partly uncorrelated with the income or the taxes and then regional prices vary just because the publishers can charge more. In think this is really the case here because I think that three times as much is just too extreme. A fair regional pricing would not make differences larger than 50% in my eyes, otherwise somebody gets ripped off.

My view is more that $20-$40 is reasonable for a AA+ game like AoW3 and for many regions the price is probably partly or tremendously overcharged here. Regional pricing doesn't make anything cheaper but it makes things more expensive at least for some regions.

Btw. how is the situation from Brazil with AoW3?

And finally there are legal problems. What if I would travel to russia for a business or personal trip. Would I be allowed to buy cheap during this time? I guess so, but I'm not sure.

Yesterday I was really upset because of the incredibly big spread in regional pricing and the swift action of GOG to make the whole catalogue regionally priced which I didn't see the necessitiy for it (and still don't see). Today I see it more relaxed. If prices in my area are too high I just won't buy. Like AoW3 for example. I won't buy it from GOG maybe I won't buy it at all.

The only thing that still interests me is how gifting especially cross-region gifting is developing? Any answers there already?
Post edited February 26, 2014 by Trilarion
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All I see is a bunch of cry babies here complaining about paying 0,20€ too much (while currency rates changes every day in each possible direction...)..
I do not really see a difference for me. Woah then I will pay a little bit more, doesn't hurt. Mostly I buy games on sale and then they are so cheap, that even I sometimes feel bad ;P

The whole internet is changing so quickly you have to adopt/change to not go down (see myspace, older search engines...) and I think the worst thing for us to happen is that gog has to shut down their servers and we all lose our games.

So please stop whining, as if your life depends on this store and it's games... If people would actually care this much for really important issues of everyday life, oh what a wonderful world this would be...
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The real problem is not the regional pricing itself.
They argue that this enables them to get "better" games in the future.
The problem is that they opened the door for the big publishers.

Mind the words of us skeptics - DRM will be next to fall. Maybe not this year. Maybe not next year. But I won't put money on it that in 5 years all games on gog will still be DRM free. Regardless of what they tell us now.
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Niggles: Talk about overdramatic. Well thats two. Hope you and your buddy enjoy life.
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darthspudius: You took the words out of my keyboard. I can understand people not being happy but there is a few drama queens roaming around.
Think of it as entertainment. Just try to enjoy yourself. XD
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if any of the really unhappy people about to leave gog for good would like to send me their login details i would be very grateful
thanks :)
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darthspudius: You took the words out of my keyboard. I can understand people not being happy but there is a few drama queens roaming around.
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Mr_GeO: This place is called, yo know "Community forum". Apart from numerous other activities possible here, people, which are part of GOG community can go there and verbose their opinion about GOG related stuff.
And this is exactly what they are doing.
And no, they are not acting as (let me quote): "being an asshole". They are pretty civil. As the matter of fact, it's you guys, with your name calling and your sense of superiority over these (let me quote agaian) "drama queens" are matching the definition of "asshole" pretty close.
There are people acting like drama queens. You can blabber on as much as you want but there are some people acting like drama queens and assholes... and no I am not an asshole... I am a dick! Chuck!
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darthspudius: You took the words out of my keyboard. I can understand people not being happy but there is a few drama queens roaming around.
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JohnnyDollar: Think of it as entertainment. Just try to enjoy yourself. XD
I am not leaving for a while put it like that!
Post edited February 26, 2014 by darthspudius