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SimonG: In my opinion DRM isn't bad per se. It boils down to how you implement it.

Look at GOG, it is using a DRM account based system to tie a purchase to an account. And the games they offer are DRM free. What more do you want?

"No DRM", would mean you buy a game and you can download it once. From there on it is your own responsibility to make copies. I rather have GOG, which works as an online storage for me.

Claims like "DRM is evil" are childish and is similar to "TV is evil", "Comic books are evil" "internet is evil" ...
From your post it is clear and you didn't even know what DRM is.
Post edited February 27, 2012 by Paingiver
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Paingiver: From your post it is clear and you didn't even know what DRM is.
Actually you have just displayed that you dont exactly know what DRM is, especially what they do here at GoG.

DRM or Digital Rights Management is a way to protect content from being shared to the masses illegally. Granted this content protection is usually bypassed by the cracking groups when something is released on Steam or on Disc. There are also extreme measures to DRM like Ubisofts always on which is really intrusive or the limited activations with Securom, however with Securom you can revoke activations with a tool available on their website.

So essentially you are saying that some unknown person could just put my username in on a GoG log in screen and grab my owned games.

No, it doesn't work like that. The DRM in this situation is that your games are stored in your library which is held by GoG. To access this content you have to log in and go to your downloads library. This is DRM in its most simple form, software protected by username and password.
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Paingiver: It is time that we do something. Bragging in forums against DRM doesn't do anything. Please share your ideas and state that you if you are in.

- We will build a web site.

- We will declare a manifesto. An open letter to companies.

- We will loud our voice via Facebook, Twitter and gaming forums.

- We will inform gamers about DRM and other harmful methods.
Why is it important to stand against DRM? Sure, it can be obnoxious, but if a game is really good why should a person deprive themselves of it? Where's the harm?
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Paingiver: From your post it is clear and you didn't even know what DRM is.
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iainmet: Actually you have just displayed that you dont exactly know what DRM is, especially what they do here at GoG.

DRM or Digital Rights Management is a way to protect content from being shared to the masses illegally. Granted this content protection is usually bypassed by the cracking groups when something is released on Steam or on Disc. There are also extreme measures to DRM like Ubisofts always on which is really intrusive or the limited activations with Securom, however with Securom you can revoke activations with a tool available on their website.

So essentially you are saying that some unknown person could just put my username in on a GoG log in screen and grab my owned games.

No, it doesn't work like that. The DRM in this situation is that your games are stored in your library which is held by GoG. To access this content you have to log in and go to your downloads library. This is DRM in its most simple form, software protected by username and password.
Actually no. The storage is just a service GOG provides. You pay for the game, you download the game, there's no DRM in the game. That you have later access to download, a shelf, a forum and everything else, it's just a service separate from the game itself.
Post edited February 27, 2012 by Aningan
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iainmet: No, it doesn't work like that. The DRM in this situation is that your games are stored in your library which is held by GoG. To access this content you have to log in and go to your downloads library. This is DRM in its most simple form, software protected by username and password.
Like a screensaver? ;p
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SimonG: Look at GOG, it is using a DRM account based system to tie a purchase to an account.
No it isn't. Not unless you stretch the meaning of DRM so far that the term actually ceases to be meaningful at all.
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iainmet: Actually you have just displayed that you dont exactly know what DRM is, especially what they do here at GoG.

DRM or Digital Rights Management is a way to protect content from being shared to the masses illegally. Granted this content protection is usually bypassed by the cracking groups when something is released on Steam or on Disc. There are also extreme measures to DRM like Ubisofts always on which is really intrusive or the limited activations with Securom, however with Securom you can revoke activations with a tool available on their website.

So essentially you are saying that some unknown person could just put my username in on a GoG log in screen and grab my owned games.

No, it doesn't work like that. The DRM in this situation is that your games are stored in your library which is held by GoG. To access this content you have to log in and go to your downloads library. This is DRM in its most simple form, software protected by username and password.
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Aningan: Actually no. The storage is just a service GOG provides. You pay for the game, you download the game, there's no DRM in the game. That you have later access to download, a shelf, a forum and everything else, it's just a service separate from the game itself.
Yeah, essentially though you cannot access this content without a username and password. If there was no username and password then anyone could grab anything from your shelf. So in a way it is a minor form of DRM to protect you as a consumer.

The games are completely DRM free in themselves, completely agree. You dont have to jump through any hoops, activate online or even put in CD Keys on games that used to have them and CD startup checks. Once you have them they are yours to keep. Have mine backed up onto discs for the future when I upgrade Hard Disc etc

Actually on another level if you think about it, screensaver comment got me thinking on this one!

If you password protect your PC from being used by family members and relatives, essentially this is also a form of DRM. You are protecting your data from other users having access to it.
Post edited February 27, 2012 by iainmet
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iainmet: Yeah, essentially though you cannot access this content without a username and password. If there was no username and password then anyone could grab anything from your shelf. So in a way it is a minor form of DRM to protect you as a consumer.
That's not DRM; that's authentication. Some implementations of DRM make use of authentication and sometimes authentication is used for DRM, but neither of those is necessarily the case. The two concepts are mutually independent.
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iainmet: Yeah, essentially though you cannot access this content without a username and password. If there was no username and password then anyone could grab anything from your shelf. So in a way it is a minor form of DRM to protect you as a consumer.
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Barefoot_Monkey: That's not DRM; that's authentication. Some implementations of DRM make use of authentication and sometimes authentication is used for DRM, but neither of those is necessarily the case. The two concepts are mutually independent.
Yeah agree, I am just trying to make a point on how far you can take this DRM argument. There are new threads popping up on GoG forum, usually about 1 a week now going on about DRM or Steam or whatever else and how it is evil to its very core.

Granted as a consumer we dont have to accept DRM on software. However you will be missing out on a lot of decent new games.

On a side note :

Another thing to look at is your Operating System.

Hands up everyone that uses genuine copies of Windows Vista or 7

Every 3 months your Windows installation will contact the activation server to renew your license so it knows you are running a genuine copy. Same key used to many times and literally the genuine check box in system will go grey and you will have 30 days to buy a new license if you cant prove to Microsoft otherwise.

But I bet you are perfectly happy to use a genuine copy of Windows, or do you pirate everything that has any form of copy protection I wonder.
Oh, no.... =(

I really am trying to find support in a place where people mistake a cat for an elephant. And this forum would tell other gamers what the DRM is. My folly...

No, authentication is not even even a tiny atomic close to DRM. DRM is whole different matter.

DRM(Digital Restrictions Management) is a whole different matter:

http://www.defectivebydesign.org/what_is_drm

And a pretty video explaning the "Trusted Computing":

http://www.lafkon.net/tc/
I'm only one person, but I've never bought a single game from Steam and never will. DRM needs to burn and die. Are there any other industries where companies not only treat their customers with contempt, but treat them as criminals? Drugs industry perhaps.

I'm sick and tired of it, and will prefer to not buy a single game in my life than to start sucking the steamtits.
I just don't buy games with DRM from the publisher. On the rare occasion I have to admit that I've bought a Steam game. But in general, if there's DRM, I just don't buy it. I've had too many headaches dealing with it in the past. I get a few good hours to play games every week and I'm not going to waste them trying to figure out how to deactivate a game on Ubisofts website.

I do occasionally buy a DRMed up games second hand. I figure at least the publisher gets no dough.
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Pangaea666: I'm only one person, but I've never bought a single game from Steam and never will. DRM needs to burn and die. Are there any other industries where companies not only treat their customers with contempt, but treat them as criminals? Drugs industry perhaps.

I'm sick and tired of it, and will prefer to not buy a single game in my life than to start sucking the steamtits.
I never felt that Steam treated me like a criminal, can you elaborate? DRM is about them not you.
Post edited February 27, 2012 by Egotomb
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Pangaea666: I'm only one person, but I've never bought a single game from Steam and never will. DRM needs to burn and die. Are there any other industries where companies not only treat their customers with contempt, but treat them as criminals? Drugs industry perhaps.

I'm sick and tired of it, and will prefer to not buy a single game in my life than to start sucking the steamtits.
I like the thing mentioned above. Are you using Windows? Then you're already sucking on someone's tits if you hadn't noticed, to use that .. inappropriate way of saying it.
Post edited February 27, 2012 by Pheace
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Paingiver: It is time that we do something. Bragging in forums against DRM doesn't do anything. Please share your ideas and state that you if you are in.

- We will build a web site.

- We will declare a manifesto. An open letter to companies.

- We will loud our voice via Facebook, Twitter and gaming forums.

- We will inform gamers about DRM and other harmful methods.
198 Methods of Nonviolent Action
http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations103a.html