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cogadh: It has only been about three months since the last public announcement of progress by the team (the release of the 1.0b11 beta), but in the meantime, the beta testers have been posting very publicly about what they have been up to. Don't buy into all the negative hype surrounding the mod, which would have you believe it has been something like years since anyone from the team said or did anything. That is simply not true. I don't think anyone is happy about the current situation with the mod and all the FUD and outright lies that people spread about it really don't help matters at all. The mod will be released, it is not DNF, though it may be a justifiable comparison at the moment.

Well, I see now that there was actually a progress report back in April. The last time I checked the site was shortly before that, I think. And prior to that, the last progress report was in October 2007.
That said... Hell, I don't know what to say. I'm still hoping, but not really believing. I'll be thrilled if it does happen, but I'm not expecting much.
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cogadh: It has only been about three months since the last public announcement of progress by the team (the release of the 1.0b11 beta), but in the meantime, the beta testers have been posting very publicly about what they have been up to. Don't buy into all the negative hype surrounding the mod, which would have you believe it has been something like years since anyone from the team said or did anything. That is simply not true. I don't think anyone is happy about the current situation with the mod and all the FUD and outright lies that people spread about it really don't help matters at all. The mod will be released, it is not DNF, though it may be a justifiable comparison at the moment.
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Wishbone: Well, I see now that there was actually a progress report back in April. The last time I checked the site was shortly before that, I think. And prior to that, the last progress report was in October 2007.
That said... Hell, I don't know what to say. I'm still hoping, but not really believing. I'll be thrilled if it does happen, but I'm not expecting much.

That October 2007 report was the last time that a "WIP" update was released on the main website, but there were other progress reports between then and the April beta release. After fall 2007/winter 2008, the mod went into its heavy bugfixing state, since all the cut content had already been restored. There really wasn't much to talk about, so the only major progress updates to speak of were in the team's Mantis bugtracker. Unfortunately, last fall, that bugtracker experienced a serious glitch and the team is no longer using or updating it. It was also around that time that the remaining team members, other than Dashus, left to pursue other endeavors. We did have a serious dead period during the early part of this year where no one had really talked to Dashus, due to some RL issues he was dealing with, and it appeared that the mod was in very serious trouble. However, when Dashus did re-appear, we found out that he had been spending some quality time restructuring one of the biggest parts of the mod, the HK factory on Telos, in order to address the most major bugs that were preventing release. It was that restructuring that was part of the 1.0b11 release and is what the beta testers are currently focusing their efforts on. At the moment, we are awaiting a 1.0b12 release, which should (note I said "should") be the last closed beta release before a first public release.
Honestly, I always tell people, don't wait for the mod, play the game as is... try out other mods... try out other games... go outside and play... do something, but don't wait with baited breath for this mod. It will be done in its own time and when it is, if you are still interested in KotOR and the mod, you can play it in all its glory. A mod for a game is not worth expending all the effort people have spent, both in supporting and slamming it
This is all true facts and how the leak of the team gizka mod happened. I'll say it again so you'll know it's true: these are facts.
(11:57:31 PM) icur_mmm: who is this?
(6/19/2008 6:06:01 AM) April (Yahoo): Heya, this is April with the Beta Testers on TSLRP
(6:06:16 AM) icur_mmm: oh hey April :)
(6:06:38 AM) April (Yahoo): I have a bit of a problem and I was wondering if you could help me out
(6:06:48 AM) icur_mmm: whats that?
(6:07:41 AM) April (Yahoo): Well its been awhile since I last logged in
(6:07:54 AM) April (Yahoo): And apparently the forums have been upgraded since then
(6:08:01 AM) April (Yahoo): So my old password doesnt work
(6:08:20 AM) April (Yahoo): however I can't get a reset email as I have no access to the email I originally registered the account with
(6:08:36 AM) April (Yahoo): http://forums.team-gizka.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=666
(6:08:58 AM) April (Yahoo): I sent bob an email but you know how that is
(6:09:09 AM) icur_mmm: yah
(6:09:23 AM) April (Yahoo): how are you doing anyway?
(6:09:47 AM) icur_mmm: yeah im not too bad, cold though :) aside from losing your password, you?
(6:09:56 AM) April (Yahoo): good good
(6:10:00 AM) April (Yahoo): well I didn't loose it
(6:10:18 AM) April (Yahoo): when I try to login, the system says that it couldn't be converted during the upgrade and I must create a new one
(6:10:25 AM) April (Yahoo): and that I need access to my original email account to do it
(6:10:27 AM) April (Yahoo): which I dont have
(6:10:38 AM) April (Yahoo): so until Bob gets back to me, I cant actually start beta testing
(6:10:44 AM) April (Yahoo): because I dont have the download instructions
(6:11:02 AM) April (Yahoo): which apprently have changed over from pulling from CVS since I was heavily involved
(6:11:27 AM) April (Yahoo): Your profile says your in Australia... is it that cold there?
(6:11:47 AM) icur_mmm: yeah it is at the moment - its probably about 10-12 celcius at the moment
(6:11:59 AM) April (Yahoo): Wow poor guy
(6:12:07 AM) April (Yahoo): You ought to find a nice girl to keep you warmed up
(6:12:10 AM) icur_mmm: haha ill live :)
(6:12:18 AM) icur_mmm: lol love to, you offering? :p
(6:12:36 AM) April (Yahoo): Well I'm a bit of a distance away
(6:12:47 AM) icur_mmm: excuses excuses haha
(6:12:50 AM) April (Yahoo): but I have always wanted to see how you Aussies do things
(6:13:07 AM) icur_mmm: :D
(6:13:50 AM) April (Yahoo): So anyway I was going through the contact information I had for people who are beta testers
(6:13:56 AM) April (Yahoo): and I figured I would ask you for a favor
(6:14:12 AM) April (Yahoo): since bob is dragging when it comes to fixing my account
(6:14:36 AM) April (Yahoo): can you can me the download instructions for the latest build? I have the rest of this week and next week off
(6:14:46 AM) April (Yahoo): and I figure I ought to be able to play through once in that time at least
(6:15:07 AM) April (Yahoo): but waiting on Bob is cutting into it, ya know?
(6:15:07 AM) icur_mmm: well its a good time to do it :)
(6:15:54 AM) April (Yahoo): so can you help a girl out?
(6:16:45 AM) icur_mmm: well id love to, unfortunately the team has been targetted a few times now by people trying to get their hands on the beta. Unless you can prove conclusively that you are April, there's really nothing i can do sorry
(6:16:54 AM) April (Yahoo): well what can I do?
(6:17:23 AM) icur_mmm: honestly, nothing really comes to mind. Talking to dash might help
(6:17:36 AM) April (Yahoo): I mean I wouldn't have your private contact information unless I was on the team, right?
(6:18:13 AM) April (Yahoo): I so like a man that makes it a challenge Adam
(6:18:26 AM) icur_mmm: lol
(6:18:41 AM) icur_mmm: what can i say, ive been told im challenging once or twice
(6:18:48 AM) April (Yahoo): ummmmmmm
(6:18:58 AM) April (Yahoo): maybe we can up the counter on that one day
(6:19:06 AM) April (Yahoo): I've seen your pic and I like what I see
(6:19:19 AM) icur_mmm: lol
(6:19:21 AM) icur_mmm: oh really?
(6:19:30 AM) April (Yahoo): I'
(6:19:49 AM) April (Yahoo): ve also read your Star Wars Space Combat doc... and that was interesting as well
(6:20:01 AM) icur_mmm: which one was that?
(6:20:04 AM) April (Yahoo): You have some great ideas, you know?
(6:20:20 AM) icur_mmm: i always have great ideas
(6:20:47 AM) April (Yahoo): The one i found here
(6:20:54 AM) April (Yahoo): http://www.geocities.com/icur_mmm/SWSC.doc
(6:21:02 AM) April (Yahoo): Really good stuff honey
(6:21:03 AM) icur_mmm: ah that one
(6:21:11 AM) April (Yahoo): I wish the team had more men like you on it
(6:21:23 AM) icur_mmm: lol
(6:21:37 AM) April (Yahoo): So have I proved that I'm April yet?
(6:22:06 AM) icur_mmm:not really but id like to help. you wouldnt have my info if you were not legit.
(6:22:22 AM) icur_mmm: http://www.team-gizka.org/tslrp_download2.php
(6:22:28 AM) icur_mmm: go here
(6:22:30 AM) icur_mmm: and enter
(6:22:34 AM) icur_mmm: these two code lines
(6:22:38 AM) icur_mmm: exactly
(6:22:40 AM) icur_mmm: 1e57108e-b230-470e-a447-a635695acfcf
(6:22:43 AM) icur_mmm: and
(6:22:45 AM) icur_mmm: b6382567-dce9-41c8-8b1f-873cce7cfdd2
(6:22:47 AM) icur_mmm: and don't leak the build to the internet or anything ;)
(6:26:12 AM) April (Yahoo): No problem baby. Email me at fuck@yourselfuptheass.com
(6:26:20 AM) icur_mmm: you fucking bitch - please dont tell them it was me
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Gragt: This is all true facts and how the leak of the team gizka mod happened. I'll say it again so you'll know it's true: these are facts.
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Uh, no, not true at all. That log was faked, though it has been posted several places and advertised as true. There was an actual conversation like that that did take place, but it was not the source of the leak and the person that was attempting to get the mod via that method was basically told to fuck off in the end.
I said at the start of my post twice that it is true facts, and so that means it's true.
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Gragt: I said at the start of my post twice that it is true facts, and so that means it's true.

Yes, and everything you read on the internet that says it is true must therefore be true. This must be one of those cases...
That was sarcasm, in case you didn't notice.
Ouch! When you have to state you are being sarcastic, that's when you're not very good with it.
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Gragt: Ouch! When you have to state you are being sarcastic, that's when you're not very good with it.

Well, I was only saying that for your benefit, I didn't want you to think I was being serious, since you seem to believe everything you read on the internet. :P
It's been stated that it's true, and in written form not least. Myself I stated it twice, again in written form and on the internet. That's quadruple truth factor and everyone with some basic schooling knows that. Only a village idiot would question this.
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lukaszthegreat: @cogadh!
so why does he not recruit more people? I saw plenty of posts on his forum asking whether they can help. there are plenty of skilled programmers who would pay to sleep with a Wookie if they had a chance.

Sorry for not answering sooner, I just noticed this now. There are a number of reasons to not add more team members, not the least of which is trust. After adding more beta testers, the mod was leaked by one of those new testers in a very incomplete and broken form. The last thing they want to happen now is another event like that. Additionally, the current major parts of the mod that still need working on are not really something that you can pass off in parts to other people. Dashus is focusing mostly on the HK factory module, which is really a one man job at the moment. Lastly, there is also the problem of skill. There are maybe a dozen or so people with the experience and skill with modding KotOR that would be required to debug the things that T-G has done. I have yet to see any of them offer to volunteer their time to the mod. Just saying you are available to help doesn't mean you are actually able to help.
IMO, if someone is willing and able to help and has the skills required to help, Dash probably should get in touch with them, but I don't think they will really be able to do much to move the mod forward, as long as it is still dependent on Dash's availability as the "build master".
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Gragt: It's been stated that it's true, and in written form not least. Myself I stated it twice, again in written form and on the internet. That's quadruple truth factor and everyone with some basic schooling knows that. Only a village idiot would question this.

Only the village idiot would accept it as truth solely on that basis, you mean.
Post edited July 26, 2009 by cogadh
You are not a Friend of Truth.
There is no reason to believe it's false. As per your own words, it's been posted on the web before and now it appeared on the prestigious GOG forum. All of this gives a lot of credit to this log. It even has timestamps, and if you do not know anything about internet chats, I'll tell you right now that it's something very hard to fake.
Plus it's a fun read, and stuff that is true is always fun.
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Gragt: You are not a Friend of Truth.
There is no reason to believe it's false. As per your own words, it's been posted on the web before and now it appeared on the prestigious GOG forum. All of this gives a lot of credit to this log. It even has timestamps, and if you do not know anything about internet chats, I'll tell you right now that it's something very hard to fake.
Plus it's a fun read, and stuff that is true is always fun.

Please tell me you are just trying to be funny here and are not actually serious about this. If you are being serious, then you are possibly the most gullible person I have ever met on the internet... and that is saying a lot. If you are trying to be funny, well, I suppose if you were going for the self-deprecating side of funny, then you have succeeded admirably.
BTW - A chat timestamp is not hard to fake at all:
(7:59:32 PM) cogadh: look, I just faked a time stamp!
(8:01:15 PM) gragt: but it looks so real!
(8:05:22 PM) cogadh: I know, damn I'm so good
Post edited July 26, 2009 by cogadh
I just read my Holy Book and it told me that I should make you shut up, by iron and fire if needed.
Riiiight...
Okay, I'm just going to stay over here, you keep reading your book quietly, I'm sure the men in their nice white coats will be here for you very soon.
Looks like you openly mock religion. What are you then? A miscreant? A pagan? An infidel? An heretic? Or maybe an apostate?