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http://kickscammed.com/

Begging for lots of money without real obligations, the perfect scammers platform?
While I'd really like to read on that site it doesn't seem to work properly for me.
Scrolling stutters and there is an annoying floating share button that covers up things partially.
Is anybody else having these problems?
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Piranjade: While I'd really like to read on that site it doesn't seem to work properly for me.
Scrolling stutters and there is an annoying floating share button that covers up things partially.
Is anybody else having these problems?
The site loads just fine in current Firefox and Chrome for me in my little 11.6" 1366x768 notebook. But you're not missing much unless you're as generically angsty about Kickstarter as whoever started that site clearly is. It reads like a MySpace blog put together by a second year journalism student who backed a project that didn't work out.

In fairness, I don't have a lot of patience for people who can't figure out the nature of investment vs purchase, so you might want to give it a go if you're sympathetic to those who've lost money on kickstarters. And, again to be fair, there are several (possibly more than a dozen) projects that got funded and were likely intentional scams. But, seriously, world. Caveat emptor, and do some research before throwing your money into (cyber)space.
It looks like that from some reason playing card projects are the most troubled ones. Good thing I've never had a need for vanity decks.
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OneFiercePuppy: But you're not missing much unless you're as generically angsty about Kickstarter as whoever started that site clearly is. It reads like a MySpace blog put together by a second year journalism student who backed a project that didn't work out.
Uhm, those are mostly guest articles, unless you think all those accounts are only one person in reality.
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Klumpen0815: unless you think all those accounts are only one person in reality.
Of course not. I'm cranky, not stupid. Doesn't change the fact that the site is just an unrelenting whine about how unfair it is that when they gave someone money because of pretty pictures, they didn't get what they wanted and it's unfair.
There are a few posts about projects which contain useful information: how much money was gathered, what progress was made, how the project disappeared after funding. But most of it? Most of it is just a sad testament to consumer entitlement issues.

The raw idea behind it, insofar as it provides a means for people to share information about bad projects to possibly warn off others if the project creator tries again, is not terrible. The implementation is.
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OneFiercePuppy: The site loads just fine in current Firefox and Chrome for me in my little 11.6" 1366x768 notebook. But you're not missing much unless you're as generically angsty about Kickstarter as whoever started that site clearly is.
I can read it, it's just not comfortable to navigate.
And I wouldn't say I'm angsty about kickstarter - I'm careful. And the projects hubby and I have invested in have all come out well so far. Currently we're waiting for Divinity: Original Sin and after that for the Games & Gears Ichiban Studios Pro Studio Line Brush, and I see a good chance that those two projects will also be delivered.
Still I find it interesting to read what went wrong with other kickstarter projects.
[i]OUYA: A New Kind of Video Game Console
peterd
March 14, 2014 at 8:01 pm
OUYA has raised $8,596,474 and was late delivering the reward. When reward arrived it was made of cheap plastic with part of controller coming off. The games they promised were cheap looking and right away asked for money. I would say only 10% of what was promised has been delivered. Where did all this money go? Paying off salaries and wasting time! Just look on the web for unboxing videos and reviews, it’s a total scam and many have thrown their $150 investment into the garbage.[/i]

I appreciate that many people think that Ouya is garbage (I thought it would be from the start, which is why I didn't contribute to the kickstarter, and it looks like it is as bad as most people expected) but how any sane person could suggest that, after releasing a product which has clearly involved *some* effort to produce, it is a scam, is beyond me.
Post edited May 07, 2014 by htown1980
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htown1980: [i]
OUYA: A New Kind of Video Game Console
peterd
March 14, 2014 at 8:01 pm
OUYA has raised $8,596,474 and was late delivering the reward. When reward arrived it was made of cheap plastic with part of controller coming off. The games they promised were cheap looking and right away asked for money. I would say only 10% of what was promised has been delivered. Where did all this money go? Paying off salaries and wasting time! Just look on the web for unboxing videos and reviews, it’s a total scam and many have thrown their $150 investment into the garbage.[/i]

I appreciate that many people think that Ouya is garbage (I thought it would be from the start, which is why I didn't contribute to the kickstarter, and it looks like it is as bad as most people expected) but how any sane person could suggest that, after releasing a product which has clearly involved *some* effort to produce, it is a scam, is beyond me.
Unfortunately "Scam" in modern digital vernacular just means "Waaaaaah! I'm unhappy with my impulse purchase".
Definition of scam on Kickstarter might be difficult, but the more focus these dodgy projects get the better.

So far I've only been scammed once (Football Heroes). Luckily it was a small pledge.
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htown1980: [i]OUYA: A New Kind of Video Game Console
peterd
March 14, 2014 at 8:01 pm
OUYA has raised $8,596,474 and was late delivering the reward. When reward arrived it was made of cheap plastic with part of controller coming off. The games they promised were cheap looking and right away asked for money. I would say only 10% of what was promised has been delivered. Where did all this money go? Paying off salaries and wasting time! Just look on the web for unboxing videos and reviews, it’s a total scam and many have thrown their $150 investment into the garbage.[/i]

I appreciate that many people think that Ouya is garbage (I thought it would be from the start, which is why I didn't contribute to the kickstarter, and it looks like it is as bad as most people expected) but how any sane person could suggest that, after releasing a product which has clearly involved *some* effort to produce, it is a scam, is beyond me.
It's bait and switch. It's not as bad as some of the projects like that card game guy that was recently sued by the attorney general's office, but the original promise was something very different from what they wound up delivering. It was supposed to have games that were all free, or at least had a free episode, but that got watered down to a large extent to attract developers.
Loads fine for me.

Buyer's remorse site basically.

I have only done 3 funders, Underrail (cheap but pretty crap, but a fair price), Divinity OS (cant wait for this, looks pretty perfect), Grim Dawn (good game but I don't like any of the classes, again, worth the 15 quid punt).

So, for the price of one game in total, I have 3, Two are a bit meh, but D:OS looks so awesome, I still think I paid too little over all.
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F1ach: Loads fine for me.

Buyer's remorse site basically.

I have only done 3 funders, Underrail (cheap but pretty crap, but a fair price), Divinity OS (cant wait for this, looks pretty perfect), Grim Dawn (good game but I don't like any of the classes, again, worth the 15 quid punt).

So, for the price of one game in total, I have 3, Two are a bit meh, but D:OS looks so awesome, I still think I paid too little over all.
It seems to vary. I see the top one on the list when I looked was iControlpad 2 which pretty much was a scam as far as I can tell. As an owner of a Pandora, I was watching that one pretty closely and nobody quite knows what happened there except for CraigIX and he hasn't really said anything to shed light on what happened.

I almost bought in on that and then I had this feeling at the last moment that this was the same guy that was handling the Pandora in such an unreliable manner, so I opted out. At the time it appeared that he could succeed, the ICP had done fine.
I do think in some cases there's some fault in the devs as well, especially if they've oversold their project and promised things they're not able to deliver. Though I wouldn't always call those cases as scams, especially if they manage to deliver a product.

Then again, if the product is clearly unfinished, like if a game that is suppposed to be a full game just ends with out conclusion, then it might be a scam. But a game, that doesn't meet my quality expectations isn't. Like Moebius, which I though was a bad game, but I wouldn't say I was scammed with it, it just was a game I didn't personally like.
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tomimt: I do think in some cases there's some fault in the devs as well, especially if they've oversold their project and promised things they're not able to deliver. Though I wouldn't always call those cases as scams, especially if they manage to deliver a product.
A scam happens when they take the money and run.
Or, if the reward is something which in no way corresponds to what was promised.

But in all other cases, it's not a scam. What these projects are looking for, is money to develop the products, which means that during development, there may be changes. What they are showing is not the final product.

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tomimt: Then again, if the product is clearly unfinished, like if a game that is suppposed to be a full game just ends with out conclusion, then it might be a scam.
Ending without conclusion doesn't mean a scam.
Or, would you say that games like A Vampyre Story or Runaway - The Dream of the Turtle are scams?
Both are full-length games, but neither game completes the story to any fulfilling conclusion.

Of course this is also a marketing trick, as some gamers feel they "must" see what happens next.

But Vampyre Story Kickstarter probably failed partly because it had a "scammish" feel to it.
It would not complete the story of the original game, but instead be an episodic prequel, which in the worst case, would mean another incomplete storyline for the same franchise.
Post edited May 07, 2014 by PixelBoy