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Posted June 13, 2013
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hucklebarry: My biggest gripe so far is that all of them are behind schedule. I'm ok with this as I'd rather the devs drive the release based on when the game is ready...
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ET3D: While I don't have a real gripe with this, I am worried about Jane Jensen's project, just because it was supposed to be a model where people subscribe each year and get all games in that year, and that model is obviously broken, since more than a year has passed since the Kickstarter ended and there's still no game to show for it.

That said, it's not a problem with the games or the potential of her continuing making them, it's just that the model looks broken. Then again, I didn't think much of it from the get go. I hope that she will have some success with Moebius and MGX and just continue to make games, without continuing that CSG model. That model might make sense if she ever gets to release a few quality games per year, but I have my doubts about this happening.
Yeah, I imagine that mystery game X is the issue. iirc she stated her yearly games idea and then found the publisher she was looking for almost immediately after that. Sounds like her hands are tied on MGX (silly publishers :p )

This is why I'm hoping that MGX is GK4. She has openly stated she wants to make GK4 and I was under the impression that her studio was a step to help make the statement that she is ready and able to add on to that franchise.

I'm not too worried, as I understand it, I should get both Moebius and MGX regardless of when they are released, so the yearly program didn't bother me much. I'm not big into subs, I'll likely just back her again if she has another KS launch, or will just buy her games one at a time as money/time allows. I can't see me ever paying for a block of dev time, which is what CSG sort of sounded like.
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stinusmeret: Divinity: Original Sin: Larian are from my country and they know how to make great games so I couldn't not back this and so far their updates are pretty good.
I really, really wanted to back this game. I love their games. They have great quality and attention to detail, great humor, I love that their soundtracks were free, and that their games came to GOG. AAAAA developers in my book. But I can't stand turn based combat. It's very sad to see a genre change in a franchise. I'm also not much of an RTS/Dragon flying fan... so their "other" game is also a fair bit outside of my preference pool. I may break down and try out OS... but I'm much more hoping for something akin to their first 3 games coming soon... THAT, I will back as significantly as my wallet will allow.
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Posted June 13, 2013
I've only backed Carmageddon Reincarnation and I'm happy with the progress I see in their blog updates.
Posted June 13, 2013
Isn't this the problem with the Kickstarter model though? You're not buying a game - you're funding development for a product that may never see the light of day. How you're feeling now is probably how publishers feel when a game developer turns up with something that doesn't quite match their image of it - or realises that they've offered something impractical.

The difference is that a publisher has the power to do something about it.
Posted June 13, 2013
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hucklebarry: I can't see me ever paying for a block of dev time, which is what CSG sort of sounded like.
CSG is based on a model of paying up front for produce, and unfortunately that only works if you get good produce on time. If she created three quality games a year regularly, or even two, then it would be good value for fans to pay $50 to get these games plus video updates, see work in progress, beta test and be able to offer opinions.
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pds41: The difference is that a publisher has the power to do something about it.
Stop funding and grab the IP so that the developers can't use it. That's not really beneficial to anyone.

And no, I don't feel like a publisher, because I'm not trying to make money off the game. I just want something I would like to play, and even that's not strictly necessary. I'm happy to get some projects off the ground even if I'm not going to personally benefit from them. And so far the vast majority of the projects I backed have shown good progress, and some are finished, so I feel that the risk is pretty low.
Post edited June 13, 2013 by ET3D
Posted June 13, 2013
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pds41: Isn't this the problem with the Kickstarter model though? You're not buying a game - you're funding development for a product that may never see the light of day. How you're feeling now is probably how publishers feel when a game developer turns up with something that doesn't quite match their image of it - or realises that they've offered something impractical.

The difference is that a publisher has the power to do something about it.
The different tiers allow your money to go towards different things. The first tier (typically around 1 - 5 dollars) is you funding a developer to make the game they want. Usually, the next tier or two gives you the game they are wanting to develop. At this point you are in a purchasing contract. I will give you $25.00 and you will give me the game you promised. There might be a fine line between failure and scam, but anyone truly running a scam will inevitably be sued and will most likely lose as they promised goods/services for money.

For the most part, people are buying the game with KS. They are just buying early. The dev can let them down, just like they can with pictures on a boxed game where the gameplay is buggy and poorly optimized. This isn't a KS issue, its an integrity issue, and a lot of us believe that when integrity is lost, it was not by dev choice. KS makes it so that the dev is the only one to blame if things go south.
Posted June 13, 2013
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hucklebarry: I can't see me ever paying for a block of dev time, which is what CSG sort of sounded like.
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ET3D: CSG is based on a model of paying up front for produce, and unfortunately that only works if you get good produce on time. If she created three quality games a year regularly, or even two, then it would be good value for fans to pay $50 to get these games plus video updates, see work in progress, beta test and be able to offer opinions.
Sounds like semantics perhaps. If they only release one game that year, its all I get. basically, its similar to episodic purchases where you aren't 100% sure what will come, but you buy the whole "potential" lot in advance. You can't really value the deal until the year is up and you can see what you got in return. So, I still feel like its buying blocks of dev time. You get what you get when the clock runs out. Its not a horrible idea, but its also not for me.
Posted June 13, 2013
I backed two nongaming scams. Out of the gaming projects, I am most disalpointed with the handling of crests in The Banner Saga, advertised as being in the actual game released to the public, then changed to a backer-only upload feature (as in, upload into your personal game). I seriously think about asking for a refund but I'm too lazy to actually do it.
Posted June 13, 2013
I haven't had any regrets so far. I am actually supporting quite a bit, hoping for a crop of new RPG greats to be created. I've been less and less impressed with the FPS RPGs that are going around, and I really miss the great IE games.
I have supported:
Project Eternity
Wasteland 2
Shroud of the Avatar
Divinity OS
Torment

If only one of these games is a great game I will be a happy gamer again. SotA, I am less excited and extremely worried it will turn out to be a game I don't like. From some of the updates from developers it is sounding more and more like a MMO (not something I want).

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DreadMoth: I wish I'd been able to back Wasteland 2, might preorder it sometime soon.
Can't you still back this title through the Wasteland 2 website? Or was it pre-order only?

W2 Late Backer.
http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/store
Post edited June 13, 2013 by jjsimp
Posted June 13, 2013
My regret lies with not backing the Shadowrun games, Wasteland 2 or Project Eternity (main reason being I'm unemployed)

I'd love to have a CE for all of these
Posted June 13, 2013
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Starmaker: I backed two nongaming scams.
What projects?
Posted June 13, 2013
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StingingVelvet: I think it's ten times more likely game development is more expensive than most of these people are estimating. And I expect this to be a common theme as kickstarters release.
Another proof these people should take some lessons of business first and only then start to ask for money.

Seriously, if they can't make a decent enough research to not be in deep shit afterwards, they are not worth a single penny.
Posted June 13, 2013
Wow, that's alot of money, OP!

I've only backed 4 projects:
Divinity OS
Torment
Planet Explorer
Wish I Was Here (movie by Zach Braff)

So far I can say I'm really content, enjoyed the Divinity campaing the most (and have also observed it the closest, second in comes Torment). I've regreted not backing Project Eternity (and maybe Shroud of the Avatar) a bit, but I'll live...
But that means I'll have to get them when they come out :P
Posted June 13, 2013
It's hard to say really.

I backed Grim Dawn, Wasteland 2 and Project Eternity all of which are on schedule and provide me with regular updates so it looks like those will turn out well.

I am disappointed with Code Hero, sadly, I've come to realize that is 15 dollars I'll never see again.
Posted June 13, 2013
I regret that I didn't find out about Tropes vs. Women in time to back it; the videos aren't actually very good (in the sense that the points she makes are intensely obvious, so it's more preaching to the choir than teaching anyone anything), but they're upsetting all the right people.
Post edited June 13, 2013 by BadDecissions
Posted June 13, 2013
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Reever: Wish I Was Here (movie by Zach Braff)
This was one I stayed away from for a few reasons. Loved Srubs, but not a fan of his first movie. Secondly, as someone mentioned above, this was one where you were pretty much just donating money to a star so they could make the movie they wanted (and subsequently, make money from it). None of the tiers actually provided any physical take aways (at least none of the reasonable ones). You could access a live web streaming if you worked your schedule around it and had no technical issues. After that, you still had to buy the movie no matter how much you gave if you still wanted to see it.

I'm definitely not knocking anyone who backed this... but it leaves a lot of room for the regret that the OP is talking about. His movie didn't fit into any of my reasons for giving money. He isn't a charity, he is for profit. He wasn't giving me anything other than selling me a chance to later buy his movie. The people that I would give money to so they can get rich is limited to my immediate family and friends that I can count without having to take off my shoes :p
With that said, I would have no thoughts on this whatsoever, if he simply shipped a DVD at the 30 or even 50 dollar marks.

Sorry, just a soap box for me, as he proved, there are definitely folks that see value in backing movies in this way ;)
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