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cogadh: They are filming multiple endings so no one can spoil the actual ending before the movie comes out. Its actually a fairly common practice with big-budget movies like this. I am certain that the extra ending will show up as a DVD extra someday.
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TheCheese33: How does that work? I thought most bootlegged copies were from the trucks that deliver them to the cinemas, meaning the one they would get a hold of would be the real deal.

Movie theaters don't play DVDs on the large screen, they actually play film. Some fully digital theaters are probably using digital format media, but most, even IMAX theaters, still use film projectors, so I don't really see how the roll of film that is delivered to a theater could be used for a bootleg before the film is shown in the theater. Any of the bootlegs I have seen were actually produced via "camming" (setting up a video camera in the theater to record the film as it is projected on the screen) so those don't actually ruin the ending before the public has a chance to see it, they just hurt future DVD sales.
If someone were to get a hold of a copy of the film that would normally be delivered to a theater (not easy to do at all), using it to make a direct copy of the movie requires a very expensive and hard to obtain piece of equipment called a telecine machine. Additionally, film copies of movies are encoded with a "fingerprint" of sorts that identifies the specific copy of the film, making unbelievably easy to determine the source of the original film used to make the pirated copies. Producing pirated copies via that method is a great way to get yourself caught.
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TheCheese33: How does that work? I thought most bootlegged copies were from the trucks that deliver them to the cinemas, meaning the one they would get a hold of would be the real deal.
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cogadh: Movie theaters don't play DVDs on the large screen, they actually play film. Some fully digital theaters are probably using digital format media, but most, even IMAX theaters, still use film projectors, so I don't really see how the roll of film that is delivered to a theater could be used for a bootleg before the film is shown in the theater. Any of the bootlegs I have seen were actually produced via "camming" (setting up a video camera in the theater to record the film as it is projected on the screen) so those don't actually ruin the ending before the public has a chance to see it, they just hurt future DVD sales.
If someone were to get a hold of a copy of the film that would normally be delivered to a theater (not easy to do at all), using it to make a direct copy of the movie requires a very expensive and hard to obtain piece of equipment called a telecine machine. Additionally, film copies of movies are encoded with a "fingerprint" of sorts that identifies the specific copy of the film, making unbelievably easy to determine the source of the original film used to make the pirated copies. Producing pirated copies via that method is a great way to get yourself caught.

I thought they were in HD... or am I missing something? In theory, 35mm has more pixels (and therefore higher resolution) than HD digital stuff, so I guess the cinema would have better quality than your Blu-ray player! But what if the film was produced with RED cameras in digital 1080p? They can't possibly use film...
By the way, could anyone recommend me a graphic novel I might like if I enjoyed Watchmen? Tried reading Sin City and 300, but couldn't stay on those because they were almost exactly like their respective movies. It probably would've been smarter to read those first, but oh well. Also, is From Hell any good? I love stories about serial killers, and a graphic novel focusing on one of the most famous, Jack the Ripper, might be an exciting read. Also, it would be interesting to read Alan Moore's other works.
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cogadh: Movie theaters don't play DVDs on the large screen, they actually play film. Some fully digital theaters are probably using digital format media, but most, even IMAX theaters, still use film projectors, so I don't really see how the roll of film that is delivered to a theater could be used for a bootleg before the film is shown in the theater. Any of the bootlegs I have seen were actually produced via "camming" (setting up a video camera in the theater to record the film as it is projected on the screen) so those don't actually ruin the ending before the public has a chance to see it, they just hurt future DVD sales.
If someone were to get a hold of a copy of the film that would normally be delivered to a theater (not easy to do at all), using it to make a direct copy of the movie requires a very expensive and hard to obtain piece of equipment called a telecine machine. Additionally, film copies of movies are encoded with a "fingerprint" of sorts that identifies the specific copy of the film, making unbelievably easy to determine the source of the original film used to make the pirated copies. Producing pirated copies via that method is a great way to get yourself caught.
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michaelleung: I thought they were in HD... or am I missing something? In theory, 35mm has more pixels (and therefore higher resolution) than HD digital stuff, so I guess the cinema would have better quality than your Blu-ray player! But what if the film was produced with RED cameras in digital 1080p? They can't possibly use film...

Those "high definition" movies use 70mm film, not 35mm film. They don't record the images on film (they are recorded digitally), but when they are projected they still use film.
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TheCheese33: By the way, could anyone recommend me a graphic novel I might like if I enjoyed Watchmen? Tried reading Sin City and 300, but couldn't stay on those because they were almost exactly like their respective movies. It probably would've been smarter to read those first, but oh well. Also, is From Hell any good? I love stories about serial killers, and a graphic novel focusing on one of the most famous, Jack the Ripper, might be an exciting read. Also, it would be interesting to read Alan Moore's other works.

From Hell is great and sufficiently different from the movie that you should still enjoy it. If you like serial killer stories like Jack the Ripper, then you might enjoy Batman: Gotham By Gaslight. Its one of DC's "Elseworlds" line of comics where they take major characters and place in different times, places and situations. The Gotham By Gaslight plot is basically a "What if Batman was born in the 19th century and Jack the Ripper came to Gotham?" story. Another Elseworlds story that is very good is Superman: Red Son, where instead of landing in a Kansas cornfield, the infant Kal-El landed in Soviet Russia and was raised as a hero of the U.S.S.R. There are several different stories in the Elseworlds line, most of them are really good and don't really require any previous detailed knowledge of the characters (what if Bruce Wayne was picked to be Green Lantern, what if Superman was found and raised by Thomas and Martha Wayne instead of the Kents, what if Batman were a priest in a theocratic modern society, what if Superman arrived on Earth during the middle ages, etc.).
If you are interested in Alan Moore, you might like V for Vendetta or the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Again, if you have seen the movies, the books are sufficiently different that you should still enjoy them. For some of Moore's mainstream work, I can't say enough about Batman: The Killing Joke. It has what is possibly the most evil interpretation of the Joker ever put in print.
Other books that you really should check out are Batman: The Dark Knight Returns (best Superman/Batman fight ever), Neil Gaiman's work on Sandman (just... trippy), Kingdom Come (beautiful painted artwork by Alex Ross). On the Marvel side of things, I'm an X-Fan primarily, so I have to recommend the X-Men stories Asgardian Wars, Days of Future Past, The Dark Phoenix Saga and the Age of Apocalypse. Additionally, I have a particular fondness for the Marvel 1602 storyline, which is like Marvel's version of an Elseworlds story where they placed the entire Marvel universe in the early 1600's instead of the modern age.
Post edited February 13, 2009 by cogadh
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is well worth a look. Vastly superior and different to the (terrible) movie.
From Hell - gotta say that i never saw what the fuss was all about.
A trailer for Tales of the Black Freighter has been released. Apparently in won't be out until March 24, so it will be kind of hard to see it before Watchmen unless you wait until the end of the month. The animated DVD also includes excerpts from "Under The Hood", the tell-all biography written by Hollis Mason (the original Nite Owl) in the graphic novel:
http://www.mtv.com/videos/movie-trailers/341388/watchmen-tales-of-the-black-freighter.jhtml#id=1605027
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cogadh: From Hell is great and sufficiently different from the movie that you should still enjoy it. If you like serial killer stories like Jack the Ripper, then you might enjoy Batman: Gotham By Gaslight. Its one of DC's "Elseworlds" line of comics where they take major characters and place in different times, places and situations. The Gotham By Gaslight plot is basically a "What if Batman was born in the 19th century and Jack the Ripper came to Gotham?" story. Another Elseworlds story that is very good is Superman: Red Son, where instead of landing in a Kansas cornfield, the infant Kal-El landed in Soviet Russia and was raised as a hero of the U.S.S.R. There are several different stories in the Elseworlds line, most of them are really good and don't really require any previous detailed knowledge of the characters (what if Bruce Wayne was picked to be Green Lantern, what if Superman was found and raised by Thomas and Martha Wayne instead of the Kents, what if Batman were a priest in a theocratic modern society, what if Superman arrived on Earth during the middle ages, etc.).
If you are interested in Alan Moore, you might like V for Vendetta or the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Again, if you have seen the movies, the books are sufficiently different that you should still enjoy them. For some of Moore's mainstream work, I can't say enough about Batman: The Killing Joke. It has what is possibly the most evil interpretation of the Joker ever put in print.
Other books that you really should check out are Batman: The Dark Knight Returns (best Superman/Batman fight ever), Neil Gaiman's work on Sandman (just... trippy), Kingdom Come (beautiful painted artwork by Alex Ross). On the Marvel side of things, I'm an X-Fan primarily, so I have to recommend the X-Men stories Asgardian Wars, Days of Future Past, The Dark Phoenix Saga and the Age of Apocalypse. Additionally, I have a particular fondness for the Marvel 1602 storyline, which is like Marvel's version of an Elseworlds story where they placed the entire Marvel universe in the early 1600's instead of the modern age.

All of those sound unbelievably awesome. I've found that I'm not too big of a fan of the typical superhero stories; however, I love the ones that take the stories everyone's familiar with or the set of unwritten rules that all heros must follow and turn them on their head. I'd love it if they made a story that focuses on an aged Batman (No, not Batman Forever or Batman Year 100- former has annoying apprentice Bat, latter's art makes my eyes bleed). Also, do they make a Deadpool 1600s comic? I had a friend that owned a ton of Dead Pool comics, and the ten or twenty I read I enjoyed. Can't seem to find any Dead Pool compilation, though.
Do you think the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie was what made Alan Moore hate movies based on his graphic novels? From what I've heard, it took a big departure from the story he wrote.
League started his distaste for the film industry, V for Vendetta cemented it. Honestly, I don't completely blame the movie industry for this situation. Moore seems to have quite a large ego and some of the things I have read make him seem like a bit of a prima donna. I'm sure that had a lot to do with his disagreements with the creators of the previous films based on his work.
BTW - If you are looking for an aged Batman story, then The Dark Knight Returns is the story for you. Appropriately dark artwork and story by Frank Miller, telling the story of an aged Bruce Wayne coming out of retirement 10 years after the death of his last Robin. Gotham has fallen to pieces, superheroes have been driven underground (mostly) and Batman returns to restore order to his little corner of the world.
Post edited February 14, 2009 by cogadh
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cogadh: League started his distaste for the film industry, V for Vendetta cemented it. Honestly, I don't completely blame the movie industry for this situation. Moore seems to have quite a large ego and some of the things I have read make him seem like a bit of a prima donna. I'm sure that had a lot to do with his disagreements with the creators of the previous films based on his work.

V for Vendetta as a film was a brief overview of the whole series. It was awfully short. It's one of those films that would have been better of as a miniseries.
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cogadh: League started his distaste for the film industry, V for Vendetta cemented it. Honestly, I don't completely blame the movie industry for this situation. Moore seems to have quite a large ego and some of the things I have read make him seem like a bit of a prima donna.

I heard League did it all in one. After League he swore off movie adaptions and signed over the rights, but said he didn't want to be involved or see the movies.
I know he didn't like that V changed the story, but i'm not sure if he actually watched it.
It was pretty good, at least compared to some other adaptions.
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cogadh: BTW - If you are looking for an aged Batman story, then The Dark Knight Returns is the story for you.

Dark Knight Returns is so awesome. I also love Dark Knight Strikes Back, though i know a lot of batman fans hated it.
When they did Batman begins and Superman returns I kind of hoped they'd do a trilogy of each, and then build to a crossover of those two novels.. though they might need to switch to older actors...
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TheCheese33: All of those sound unbelievably awesome. I've found that I'm not too big of a fan of the typical superhero stories; however, I love the ones that take the stories everyone's familiar with or the set of unwritten rules that all heros must follow and turn them on their head. I'd love it if they made a story that focuses on an aged Batman (No, not Batman Forever or Batman Year 100- former has annoying apprentice Bat, latter's art makes my eyes bleed). Also, do they make a Deadpool 1600s comic? I had a friend that owned a ton of Dead Pool comics, and the ten or twenty I read I enjoyed. Can't seem to find any Dead Pool compilation, though.

Hey, if you like "different" stories like that, you are bound to like Marvel Zombies. That is one freaky story.
As for Watchmen... it rocks. I hope the movie is good, but I know it can never be as good as the comic.
Dr. M is gonna be perfect though. His voice is perfect. Heck, all the actors sound perfect. Really well done, if what I have heard and seen in trailers, clips etc carries on into the movie.
I think Batman: Speeding Bullets is the elseword tale where Kal-El is found and raised by the Waynes and becomes Batman. I have no idea if it's any good or not, but it's a solid premise IMO and all the elseworlds I've read have been satisfying.
EDIT: My favorite Elseworlds is Batman & Dracula: Red Rain. The premise may sound silly and campy at first, but I thought it was brilliant. The two myths blended really well imo.
Post edited February 22, 2009 by Cliftor
@The Cheese33
I know this topic's kinda old, but I had to chime in here.
I'm a comic enthusiast as well, and like you I rarely if ever read the superhero titles. Judging from your previous posts it seems that DC's Vertigo line would be right up your alley.
I'd reccomend:
Unknown Soldier by Joshua Dysart and Alberto Ponticelli
(a re -imagining of an old superhero..now a tale of a former doctor turned mercenary in current-day Uganda.)
Scalped by Aaron Jason and R.M Guera
(A crime-noir series about a Native American FBI agent undercover at a reservation.)
I'd also suggest any thing by Brian K. Vaughn, (His work was so popular, he was hired as a writer the TV show Lost.) and David Lapham's self-published crime series, Stray Bullets
That 's just a small selection. Like any medium, you can dig around and find some really awesome books. and a good chunk of it isn't even related to superheroes and sci-fi/fantasy.