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Posted April 27, 2011
Here at GOG.com, we're all about our users and the partners who decided to join the crazy ride into the DRM-free PC gaming. We stick with them through sickness and health, the good and the bad times. As you may have heard, JoWooD is having some tough times lately. Together with the publisher we've decided to give you a chance to get your hands on all the JoWooD titles you're eagerly wanting to buy, but maybe haven't yet. Well, now's your chance to grab those gems at a heckuva bargain!

In this special week-long promo we encourage everyone to get JoWood games with an up to 75% discount! The catalogue includes such gems from PC gaming's past like , [url=http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/gothic_2_gold_edition]Gothic 2, , [url=http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/the_guild_gold_edition]The Guild and more. If you buy all games from JoWood's catalogue, or complete the collection, you'll receive a 75% discount! If you're interested only in some games from the offer, you can still get them for bargain with 60% off! The promo ends on Tuesday, May 3 at 11:59 p.m. EDT.

Since you guys are all going to be asking: we don't know what the future holds for JoWooD. To be safe, though, we recommend that you download any JoWooD titles you've purchased--either from this promo or not--and archive a backup of the GOG installer, because it never hurts to be safe.
Posted April 28, 2011
Heh. You're clearly reading that as someone who *hopes* Valve will do the right thing, rather than someone who's thinking like a lawyer. Valve has no obligation to do anything for you at all when they terminate your subscription of a license. So Valve may well remove games from your catalog too. Caveat emptor, buddy, and you can't make a backup of those games either.
You can do a backup copy of any game purchased on steam if you want (there's a tool in the client). All that valve could do is to make a patch to the client, to make these copies work.

And you're thinking like a BAD lawyer. Throwing a patch to stop MILLIONS of people from claiming on Valve is not a big deal.

And now we're talking about closing of STEAM, and not winding up a developer which may cause your games disappear, which is far from the leading topic. eot
Post edited April 28, 2011 by keeveek
Posted April 28, 2011
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keeveek: And you're thinking like a BAD lawyer. Throwing a patch to stop MILLIONS of people from claiming on Valve is not a big deal.
Claiming what? The TOS explicitly says they don't have to do jack.

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keeveek: And now we're talking about closing of STEAM, and not winding up a developer which may cause your games disappear, which is far from the leading topic. eot
Not really. Where does the TOS state that Steam can't revoke a license frmo you for any other reason than a site shutdown? Oh, wait. It doesn't. What does it say? "Either you or Valve has the right to terminate or cancel your Account or a particular Subscription at any time."
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Posted April 28, 2011
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DMTrev: Claiming what? The TOS explicitly says they don't have to do jack.
Yep, and the case when a lady won millions of dollars because she didn't know the coffee is hot in McDs explains great how common law in U.S. works.

Find a good lawyer, and you may prove that TOS is voidable, haha. Supreme court often recalls to the general rules of law, as the socialism prevails, hahaha

For example, the EA STORE

on the begginging they had in their TOS a provision like this "you can download purchased game for a year and install it 5 times at most"

the many ppl was thinking about group claim (especially for SPORE activation limit) and EA removed it, because they were sure they'll lose in the court. And not only in the court, but also on the market.
Post edited April 28, 2011 by keeveek
Posted April 28, 2011
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keeveek: Yep, and the case when a lady won millions of dollars because she didn't know the coffee is hot in McDs explains great how common law in U.S. works.
We're wandering really far afield, here, but let me suggest you read up on Liebeck v. McDonald's before you spread that old chestnut around.
Posted April 28, 2011
Ok, i'm tired. I know the law of the old continent, not the U.S. common law.

I can tell you one thing - in my country, noone would win a case where a lady spills a hot coffee because she held it between her legs. It was her negligence or recklesness, not the fault of the company even though the coffee was extremely hot (but safe in the cup...)

Cheers to you. And the courts which decide how hot the coffee HAS TO BE.

I hope that my games on GOG will never disappear.
Post edited April 28, 2011 by keeveek
Posted April 28, 2011
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MGShogun: Downloading Painkiller since it may be no longer on GoG and I have no idea how to back the game up on disc. X.X Oy vey.
Well, if you bought it, it usually stays available for download even if it isn't sold anymore.

EDIT: The official made a statement above, partially ninjaing me. :-)
Post edited April 28, 2011 by Protoss
Posted April 28, 2011
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keeveek: I hope that my games on GOG will never disappear.
I think we can both agree about that. Cheers to you as well.
Posted April 28, 2011
I think GOG are trying to be nice. I appreiciate that.

Cheers guys, I have a load of your games, seriously, loads, and I know you'll see me right :)

At least this site TRIES to help their users......
Posted April 28, 2011
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TheEnigmaticT: b) GOG.com has never in the past had to remove a game from redownloadability (is that even a word?) for people who bought the game. Will it ever happen in the future? We don't know.

We're making no definitive statements here because we simply don't know what's going on. Since we don't know what's going to happen, though, we thought you'd appreciate a heads up since we're offering the games for crazy sale. GOG.com will of course do everything in our power to keep your game on your shelf for as long as the sun continues to burn. Since it's an uncertain world, though, rife with hazard and doubt, we hope you'll understand when we tell you "we don't know."
I rarely post to forums but I just wanted to get my feeling across to GOG that I absolutely hate the idea of paying for limited downloads. Strategy First had a sale for its Take-No-Prisoners Strategy Pack - 20 games for $10, over 16 GB worth. I didn't buy it because I could only download the games within a limited period of time.

I'm interested in buying Chaser for $2.39 but I'm turned off by the fact that I will no longer be able to download the game if JoWood disappears. If I wanted to get a game through limited time downloads, I'd just go to a pirate site.

The appeal to me of paying for digital download games is the fact that I can delete a game when I need to free up disk space and not have to worry about where I put the backup DVD of the game files. If I feel like playing the game again and I can't find any offline backups, I can just easily download the game again without having to search for it online or offline.

I bought Painkiller: Black Edition here on GOG and I'd be very disappointed if, at some point in time, I won't be able to download the game, especially if I find out that even if it may no longer be for sale on Steam, they would still allow the game files to be downloaded after you've bought the game.

I bought Gothic Universe from Steam and I have a feeling that if JoWood goes under, and they have to pull the game bundle from their catalog, Steam will still allow me to download the game files.

I hope GOG truly does everything in its power to allow customers to re-download their games even if the games are no longer for sale in its store. At the very least, they should refund the money that we paid or offer replacement games. I don't want to have to resort to piracy to re-download games that I already paid for since I hate piracy.
Posted April 28, 2011
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almirante: The appeal to me of paying for digital download games is the fact that I can delete a game when I need to free up disk space and not have to worry about where I put the backup DVD of the game files. If I feel like playing the game again and I can't find any offline backups, I can just easily download the game again without having to search for it online or offline.
QFT. This is exactly the same reason I use DD. Storing my games in the cloud? Yes, please
Posted April 28, 2011
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This thread is yet another proof that being honest with your customers often ends up producing more complaints than the alternative.

... yay.
Posted April 28, 2011
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mecirt: This thread is yet another proof that being honest with your customers often ends up producing more complaints than the alternative.

... yay.
I don't necessarily agree with that. I may disagree with what I see above and have my concerns, and not like the possibilities of what may happen and yes, hold off on purchases on those titles because of that possibility.

But I still like Gog, I like how they make older titles easily available in a digital way, easy to install on modern platforms, and I will be purchasing more titles from them, regardless of what I stated above.

I do however hope that if the 'worst case' of the above were to happen that hopefully Gog in the future can somehow mediate better license agreements in some way. At least to the extent where they can at least guarantee they can keep delivering copies to the people who bought it for as long as their service stays up.

And yes, cander about difficult issues will lead to arguments and even complaints. That's not because of their cander. It's about the issues themselves. Cander is always appreciated, despite complaints/arguments that may pop up because of it. (is it spelled cander? O_o)
Post edited April 28, 2011 by Pheace
Posted April 28, 2011
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almirante: I rarely post to forums but I just wanted to get my feeling across to GOG that I absolutely hate the idea of paying for limited downloads. Strategy First had a sale for its Take-No-Prisoners Strategy Pack - 20 games for $10, over 16 GB worth. I didn't buy it because I could only download the games within a limited period of time.

I'm interested in buying Chaser for $2.39 but I'm turned off by the fact that I will no longer be able to download the game if JoWood disappears. If I wanted to get a game through limited time downloads, I'd just go to a pirate site.
Let me reiterate this: you aren't paying for "limited downloads." This is not a notice that as soon as JoWooD closes their doors we'll be pulling our titles from your shelves. We don't currently forsee that any of our games will need to be removed from your virtual shelf. That said, our magic 8-ball keeps returning "outlook hazy, ask again later" when we try to forecast the future.
Posted April 28, 2011
I bought the whole lot.

Will I ever have to play them? Perhaps, I don't know. But I hope so.

I got them in the first place to support JoWood & GOG. And because they're dirt cheap.
Posted April 28, 2011
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Pheace: (is it spelled cander? O_o)
I think you want "candor" (or "candour" if you hail from the other side of the pond.)
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