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Posted April 27, 2011
Here at GOG.com, we're all about our users and the partners who decided to join the crazy ride into the DRM-free PC gaming. We stick with them through sickness and health, the good and the bad times. As you may have heard, JoWooD is having some tough times lately. Together with the publisher we've decided to give you a chance to get your hands on all the JoWooD titles you're eagerly wanting to buy, but maybe haven't yet. Well, now's your chance to grab those gems at a heckuva bargain!

In this special week-long promo we encourage everyone to get JoWood games with an up to 75% discount! The catalogue includes such gems from PC gaming's past like , [url=http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/gothic_2_gold_edition]Gothic 2, , [url=http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/the_guild_gold_edition]The Guild and more. If you buy all games from JoWood's catalogue, or complete the collection, you'll receive a 75% discount! If you're interested only in some games from the offer, you can still get them for bargain with 60% off! The promo ends on Tuesday, May 3 at 11:59 p.m. EDT.

Since you guys are all going to be asking: we don't know what the future holds for JoWooD. To be safe, though, we recommend that you download any JoWooD titles you've purchased--either from this promo or not--and archive a backup of the GOG installer, because it never hurts to be safe.
Posted April 28, 2011
What you're saying? I wasn't informed about that the games may dissapear when i was buying stuff! A notification in the news section is not enough, cause not everybody reads them. (i don't. i see the promo that suits me - i buy games)

And what's with the people who bought them before? You didn't send them any notice that they games may dissappear

If it happens, i want my money back, because notification like this is not a notification at all.

Also, selling things that you're not certain you could provide is just a fraud.

This is just a simple message that all of the gog.com games will eventually dissapear in the future
Post edited April 28, 2011 by keeveek
Posted April 28, 2011
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elbaz: I've downloaded all of the games and the associated goodies, but for some titles I did this quite a while ago. It would be great to know if GOG has made any improvements to these titles (thus needing another download), especially if there is a chance they will disappear. I know that there was a thread a while back asking for GOG to implement version numbers, but I don't think it ever happened.
There's generally a sticky in the game forum if we've made any changes to the game or the content that is contained therein.
Posted April 28, 2011
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TheEnigmaticT: There's generally a sticky in the game forum if we've made any changes to the game or the content that is contained therein.
I'd like to mention again that a Steam-like News page would be nice.
And you guys are already working on improving the site...
Posted April 28, 2011
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Lhademmor: a) Are you certain that the JoWooD games will disappear?
b) IF they disappear, will they still be available on GOG to people who have bought them?
a) No, we aren't certain.
b) GOG.com has never in the past had to remove a game from redownloadability (is that even a word?) for people who bought the game. Will it ever happen in the future? We don't know.

We're making no definitive statements here because we simply don't know what's going on. Since we don't know what's going to happen, though, we thought you'd appreciate a heads up since we're offering the games for crazy sale. GOG.com will of course do everything in our power to keep your game on your shelf for as long as the sun continues to burn. Since it's an uncertain world, though, rife with hazard and doubt, we hope you'll understand when we tell you "we don't know."
Posted April 28, 2011
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TheEnigmaticT: We're making no definitive statements here because we simply don't know what's going on. Since we don't know what's going to happen, though, we thought you'd appreciate a heads up since we're offering the games for crazy sale. GOG.com will of course do everything in our power to keep your game on your shelf for as long as the sun continues to burn. Since it's an uncertain world, though, rife with hazard and doubt, we hope you'll understand when we tell you "we don't know."
So maybe get certain before you take someone's money.... just a hint. from me.

I was never told by any online store (Eastore, gamersgate, Steam) that any of my game MAY BE GONE. I'm shocked.
Post edited April 28, 2011 by keeveek
Posted April 28, 2011
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keeveek: What you're saying? I wasn't informed about that the games may dissapear when i was buying stuff! A notification in the news section is not enough, cause not everybody reads them. (i don't. i see the promo that suits me - i buy games)

And what's with the people who bought them before? You didn't send them any notice that they games may dissappear

If it happens, i want my money back, because notification like this is not a notification at all.

Also, selling things that you're not certain you could provide is just a fraud.

This is just a simple message that all of the gog.com games will eventually dissapear in the future
Read Terms of Service --> Termination

Plus, when you buy here, you may download the game, burn 50 backup dvds, and play your game till you'll be 100. The only difference is that you won't be able to download them from your account.
Posted April 28, 2011
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SLP2000: Read Terms of Service --> Termination

Plus, when you buy here, you may download the game, burn 50 backup dvds, and play your game till you'll be 100. The only difference is that you won't be able to download them from your account.
I don't know if you know, but DVD lifespan is about 20 years maximmum.

and the ToS with "without any notice" I don't think it's even legal. In any major store they have similiar provisions, but always stating about the at least 30 days notice.
Post edited April 28, 2011 by keeveek
Posted April 28, 2011
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TheEnigmaticT: We're making no definitive statements here because we simply don't know what's going on. Since we don't know what's going to happen, though, we thought you'd appreciate a heads up since we're offering the games for crazy sale. GOG.com will of course do everything in our power to keep your game on your shelf for as long as the sun continues to burn. Since it's an uncertain world, though, rife with hazard and doubt, we hope you'll understand when we tell you "we don't know."
I assume you guys know what the licenses you acquire involve though. What worries me is that, assuming that, the fact that you guys say it's better safe than sorry, then that pretty much means you acknowledge that there are situations where the license of a game can simply be pulled from the shop all together, even for those who purchased it?

I think it's one thing if it's not available for purchase anymore but if there's cases where you may not be able to offer the download anymore to people who already purchased it, that part I don't like.

Now yes, as we already know, that hasn't happened yet. But I assume you wouldn't mention it if it wasn't a possibility either.

I assume it depends what happens to the licenses, whether they'll be taken over, by whom, and if those people are willing to continue the same licenses or require renegotiation and stuff like that. And what happens to those that stay in limbo?
Posted April 28, 2011
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keeveek: I was never told by any online store (Eastore, gamersgate, Steam) that any of my game MAY BE GONE. I'm shocked.
Welcome to the cruel world of online distribution.
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keeveek: I don't know if you know, but DVD lifespan is about 20 years maximmum.
You can always make a backup of the backup ;)

But I'm sure that in 10 years we'll get new media, where we'll be able to store all GOG games at one "disc" and it'll be cheap as cd is now.
Post edited April 28, 2011 by SLP2000
Posted April 28, 2011
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SLP2000: Welcome to the cruel world of online distribution.
you don't understand. Some games already dissappeared from steam, and they never EVEN CONSIDER it a possibility to remove a single game from someone's account. As long as STEAM lives i'm quite sure the games won't disappear.
Post edited April 28, 2011 by keeveek
Posted April 28, 2011
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keeveek: and the ToS with "without any notice" I don't think it's even legal. In any major store they have similiar provisions, but always stating about the at least 30 days notice.
I could even agree with you that some of ToS statements are weird and I'm really interested what's it worth as a legal document, but on the other hand - law of California is applicable.

You'd have to spend so much money to take any legal action against gog, that it's just not worth it. You could buy whole gog catalogue multiple times and still it would be less than you'd have to pay to a lawyer.
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Pheace: Now yes, as we already know, that hasn't happened yet. But I assume you wouldn't mention it if it wasn't a possibility either.
I'm pretty sure it's because for the first time publisher that was on GOG went/is going bankrupt. That's probably new situation for GOG.
Post edited April 28, 2011 by SLP2000
Posted April 28, 2011
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SLP2000: You'd have to spend so much money to take any legal action against gog, that it's just not worth it. You could buy whole gog catalogue multiple times and still it would be less than you'd have to pay to a lawyer.
Except the sitiation when im becaimg a lawyer in about 3-4 years :D and taking action against gog.com would be a nice form of recreation, if necessary :P
Post edited April 28, 2011 by keeveek
Posted April 28, 2011
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SLP2000: Welcome to the cruel world of online distribution.
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keeveek: you don't understand. Some games already dissappeared from steam, and they never EVEN CONSIDER it a possibility to remove a single game from someone's account. As long as STEAM lives i'm quite sure the games won't disappear.
I understand that, same on GOG, some games disappeared from GOG catalogue, and they are still available to download for those, who bought them.

The question is whether Steam doesn't mention it, because they won't remove any games in future, or because they don't want to make a panic.

Anyway, as much as I hate the feeling that 13 of my precious game may disappear, I must say that as long as I have backups, I can play those games till I die. If other DD sites ever remove games from their users accounts, they'll lose possibility to play those games.
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keeveek: Except the sitiation when im becaimg a lawyer in about 3-4 years :D and taking action against gog.com would be a nice form of recreation, if necessary :P
You won't have time for recreation like this, believe me.
Post edited April 28, 2011 by SLP2000
Posted April 28, 2011
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SLP2000: Anyway, as much as I hate that feeling that 13 of my precious game may disappear, I must say that as long as I have backups, I can play those games till I die. If other DD sites ever remove games from their users accounts, they'll lose possibility to play those games.
Not so true. I think that Valve stated somewhere that if STEAM winds up, you'll get a notice to download the games, and patch to the STEAM client to play games offline. As far as i remember, i'm not sure.

edit: found it:
Valve may choose to terminate or cancel your Subscription in its entirety or may terminate or cancel only a portion of the Subscription (e.g., access to the software via Steam) and Valve may, but is not obligated to, provide access (for a limited period of time) to the download of a stand-alone version of the software and content associated with such one-time purchase.

Yeah, they stated that they are not obligated to do that, but i'm sure they will, to avoid any GROUP legal actions against them, which are cheaper than making individial claim.

Nevertheless, i won't have any regrets of downloading a pirated version of the game i once bought...
Post edited April 28, 2011 by keeveek
Posted April 28, 2011
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keeveek: Not so true. I think that Valve stated somewhere that if STEAM winds up, you'll get a notice to download the games, and patch to the STEAM client to play games offline. As far as i remember, i'm not sure.

edit: found it:
Valve may choose to terminate or cancel your Subscription in its entirety or may terminate or cancel only a portion of the Subscription (e.g., access to the software via Steam) and Valve may, but is not obligated to, provide access (for a limited period of time) to the download of a stand-alone version of the software and content associated with such one-time purchase.
Heh. You're clearly reading that as someone who *hopes* Valve will do the right thing, rather than someone who's thinking like a lawyer. Valve has no obligation to do anything for you at all when they terminate your subscription of a license. So Valve may well remove games from your catalog too. Caveat emptor, buddy, and you can't make a backup of those games either.
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