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Posted May 24, 2012
Yeah, but they are not trained for bombs. They may accidentaly set them off. Their job is to secure the perimeter and call for specialists.
Posted May 24, 2012
There appears to be a comment section on that article, so why make a thread about this here?
Posted May 24, 2012
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GameRager: And this is general discussion, not gaming only discussion. Plus I have to ask: why don't you bring the same thing up to the dozens of other non-gaming threads posted here every week, hmm?
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TheJoe: You think I spend every second of my time checking the forums? No, people like you have already made me spend less and less time here. I occupy myself with other things. I'm a student in exam season.

I take my controversy and politics to better places with better audiences. I don't see why you can't, too. I really do not understand your obsession with this place. There are entire websites dedicated to smut huts, "stop liking what I don't like" rants and politics. This is one entire website dedicated to DRM-free gaming.

Anyway, if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna post an essay on Obamacare on the Steam forums.
I will try to be as polite as I can

People participate in such topics. They enjoy them. You don't? GTFO.
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evilguy12: There appears to be a comment section on that article, so why make a thread about this here?
Why making a comment about making a comment when you may just not comment at all?
Post edited May 24, 2012 by keeveek
Posted May 24, 2012
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evilguy12: There appears to be a comment section on that article, so why make a thread about this here?
I could also ask why not? As I said before others post offtopic threads here all the time, and it is general after all, so I saw no harm in it. It also gives the community one more thing to discuss for the day.
Posted May 24, 2012
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GameRager: Why does this sound like a veiled personal insult? :\
Oh, that's because it is. I figured the best way to communicate with you was just to sink down to rhetoric. You don't deal well with actual rationality. It's okay, we're all like that at some point. When you get older you'll be able to think much clearer and you'll begin to understand that thinking is a thousand times more important than actually talking.

Anyway, guess I'm gonna... take my ball and go home? Is that what we call conceding now?
Posted May 24, 2012
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keeveek: Yeah, but they are not trained for bombs. They may accidentaly set them off. Their job is to secure the perimeter and call for specialists.
Oops, i meant bomb squad obviously....but 2 HOURS just to get them there and have someone look inside it?
Posted May 24, 2012
I don't know why people think this topic is anything less valuable than any other topic here. Especially "what is your favouirite poo shape?", "what poo are you pooing at the moment?" "what is this poo?" "Bitch about poo in general" etc etc.

If you just don't like GameRager, express it via PM's or keep it to yourselves, guys.
Posted May 24, 2012
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GameRager: Why does this sound like a veiled personal insult? :\
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TheJoe: Oh, that's because it is. I figured the best way to communicate with you was just to sink down to rhetoric. You don't deal well with actual rationality. It's okay, we're all like that at some point. When you get older you'll be able to think much clearer and you'll begin to understand that thinking is a thousand times more important than actually talking.

Anyway, guess I'm gonna... take my ball and go home? Is that what we call conceding now?
Name calling, insults, snide remarks, bringing stuff from other threads into this one that doesn't need to be brought up here....yet you call me childish/idiotic/etc....and you derail my thread with offtopic(to the topic at hand) nonsense. Hypocritical much?

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keeveek: I don't know why people think this topic is anything less valuable than any other topic here. Especially "what is your favouirite poo shape?", "what poo are you pooing at the moment?" "what is this poo?" "Bitch about poo in general" etc etc.

If you just don't like GameRager, express it via PM's or keep it to yourselves, guys.
I agree with the last bit. So I say we just carry on and ignore the detractors.
Post edited May 24, 2012 by GameRager
Posted May 24, 2012
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evilguy12: There appears to be a comment section on that article, so why make a thread about this here?
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GameRager: I could also ask why not? As I said before others post offtopic threads here all the time, and it is general after all, so I saw no harm in it. It also gives the community one more thing to discuss for the day.
I am unsure what there is to discuss really. If there was anything I thought needed to be said I am sure it has already been said in at least once in one of the 1,047 comments. Even then I'm not sure what other reactions there would be apart from varying types of...

"That's bad and he shouldn't have been arrested."

or

"I agree he should have been arrested."
Post edited May 24, 2012 by evilguy12
Posted May 24, 2012
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GameRager: I could also ask why not? As I said before others post offtopic threads here all the time, and it is general after all, so I saw no harm in it. It also gives the community one more thing to discuss for the day.
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evilguy12: I am unsure what there is to discuss really. If there was anything I thought needed to be said I am sure it has already been said in at least once in one of the 1,047 comments. Even then I'm not sure what other reactions there would be apart from varying types of...

"That's bad and he shouldn't have been arrested."

or

"I agree he should have been arrested."
Well that could be said for any discussion with two or more viewpoints/sides really.....why do multiple sites cover it then and why do many post to it across all those sites? Sometimes it's just fun to re-examine a news story or topic with close friends in a familiar location.....that's one opinion on it anyways.

It's not just voicing your side but the replies between the two sides(civil preferrably) that come of it and what comes of that that counts, imo.

I mean if we all just said "everything has already been discussed so why bother doing it here/there/again" where would we all be?....just a thought.
Post edited May 24, 2012 by GameRager
Posted May 24, 2012
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HereForTheBeer: If he had gotten a permit in the first place, this wouldn't be a story.
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GameRager: You mean if our gov't/police didn't need to find the worst in everything all in an effort to keep the people in line this wouldn't be a story.
No, I mean that if he had bothered to take the time to go through the permit process for displaying his art on public property, then he would either have been given approval along with steps to notify the authorities (or maybe that happens as part of the approval process), or they'd say "no" to the permit application.

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GameRager: Seriously, you need a permit to do too many things nowadays. Next you'll need a permit if you're not near a toilet and want to relieve yourself on a bush at the side of the road.
Be that as it may, there is a process for these things. I know what you're getting at with this story, but I'm through getting upset with the results of these things when the whole problem starts after someone glazes over Step 1: get permission. I know, permission isn't "edgy" or "cool", and thus it isn't "art".



And, really, obviously not a bomb? How in the world can you determine that from the photo? Looks to me like one could easily fit inside a couple soup cans filled with nails, a pound or so of homemade explosive, a couple D-cell batteries to light off such a device, a cell phone for remote detonation, and even a metal plate to direct the 'results'. Place the device inside a stapled-shut brown paper bag (it looks like there is a brown bag inside the white bag), and then place that in the plastic bag. Visual inspection isn't going to tell the police squat, except that it's potentially big enough to hurt a lot of people.
Posted May 24, 2012
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GameRager: You mean if our gov't/police didn't need to find the worst in everything all in an effort to keep the people in line this wouldn't be a story.
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HereForTheBeer: No, I mean that if he had bothered to take the time to go through the permit process for displaying his art on public property, then he would either have been given approval along with steps to notify the authorities (or maybe that happens as part of the approval process), or they'd say "no" to the permit application.
Like any terrorist that would put real bombs in those bags could too. The point is?

Again, permits don't solve anything. Can even make things worse, because after permission nobody would bother to check those bags.
Post edited May 24, 2012 by keeveek
Posted May 24, 2012
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HereForTheBeer: No, I mean that if he had bothered to take the time to go through the permit process for displaying his art on public property, then he would either have been given approval along with steps to notify the authorities (or maybe that happens as part of the approval process), or they'd say "no" to the permit application.
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Be that as it may, there is a process for these things. I know what you're getting at with this story, but I'm through getting upset with the results of these things when the whole problem starts after someone glazes over Step 1: get permission. I know, permission isn't "edgy" or "cool", and thus it isn't "art".
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And, really, obviously not a bomb? How in the world can you determine that from the photo? Looks to me like one could easily fit inside a couple soup cans filled with nails, a pound or so of homemade explosive, a couple D-cell batteries to light off such a device, a cell phone for remote detonation, and even a metal plate to direct the 'results'. Place the device inside a stapled-shut brown paper bag (it looks like there is a brown bag inside the white bag), and then place that in the plastic bag. Visual inspection isn't going to tell the police squat, except that it's potentially big enough to hurt a lot of people.
Why should we have to gets permits for everything, though? Permits for protesting, permits for fires in our own backyards, permits for pooping in the woods will be next I would guess.

Thing is I think he should've told someone or asked someone as well before hanging each one, but not gone so far as to get a permit for it.....(especially if he wanted to hang them on private property(residential/etc.)
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I agree he should've asked permission......it still doesn't make it less discussion worthy just because someone else got into a somewhat similar situation with different circumstances sometime before that though, imo.
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We already had a person in here stating)with experience) that he wouldn't consider it a threat just from looking at it if he were called to such a scene......also I looked at other pictures which show it more clearly. It is pretty see through and looks pretty empty in some of them...even the hanging ones. I don't get how a hanging lantern(basically) that's practically see through can be taken to be a bomb(or at least to the degree that it takes people 2 hours to clear the things) in the first place by any person with some common sense.
Post edited May 24, 2012 by GameRager
Posted May 24, 2012
Don't know what to tell ya. I understand the over-permission aspects of the discussion. That's one issue. But I also understand that when dealing with public property, there need to be some standards and some approval processes.

Regarding this particular incident, which is one anecdote from many possible examples, I don't see that the police have done anything wrong. A concerned citizen called, and they responded. From the photo that you linked, it sure looks to me like there could be just about anything in the bag that weighs 8 pounds or less and encompasses maybe a half a cubic foot. That could include a homemade destructive device. Or some lighting. Or simply something flat to weigh down the bag enough that the "I LOVE NY" message remains visible. Hell, he could have gOg's missing copy of System Shock 2 in there.

Now, I'm not willing to say "the terrorists won" just because in one incident one guy did something stupid and the police acted with caution. I have other reasons for saying that they've won. : )

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keeveek: Like any terrorist that would put real bombs in those bags could too. The point is?
The same as it was from the beginning: If he had gotten a permit in the first place, this wouldn't be a story. I'm resisting the push to turn this into something bigger than it really is.

Either way, he'll be out within a few days, the big charges will get dropped, he'll pay a fine, and will hopefully get a permit next time or choose some other method for expressing enthusiasm for New York City.
Posted May 24, 2012
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HereForTheBeer: Don't know what to tell ya. I understand the over-permission aspects of the discussion. That's one issue. But I also understand that when dealing with public property, there need to be some standards and some approval processes.
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Regarding this particular incident, which is one anecdote from many possible examples, I don't see that the police have done anything wrong. A concerned citizen called, and they responded. From the photo that you linked, it sure looks to me like there could be just about anything in the bag that weighs 8 pounds or less and encompasses maybe a half a cubic foot. That could include a homemade destructive device. Or some lighting. Or simply something flat to weigh down the bag enough that the "I LOVE NY" message remains visible. Hell, he could have gOg's missing copy of System Shock 2 in there.

Now, I'm not willing to say "the terrorists won" just because in one incident one guy did something stupid and the police acted with caution. I have other reasons for saying that they've won. : )
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The same as it was from the beginning: If he had gotten a permit in the first place, this wouldn't be a story. I'm resisting the push to turn this into something bigger than it really is.

Either way, he'll be out within a few days, the big charges will get dropped, he'll pay a fine, and will hopefully get a permit next time or choose some other method for expressing enthusiasm for New York City.
I agree if it's public property. I think this incident was over private property, though. Telling/asking the property owner should be enough in most of those cases, imo.
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Oh but they did(maybe not everywhere and with everyone at all time, but still...), in a way....look at other cases: TSA scanners/the Boston ATHF incident, etc.
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Again i'm sure it was private property, so a permit wouldn't have been needed imo.

Your other words about the possible outcome are)hopefully) spot on though, imo.
Post edited May 24, 2012 by GameRager
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