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Posted April 26, 2012
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Crispy78: I lived in Sweden a little over 20 years ago, and certainly then you could only buy alcohol from official government-run alcohol shops, and you had to produce your identity card - so I could well believe that consumption is/was monitored.
There is no system in place to actually keep track of how much alcohol you buy. You need to show your ID to prove that you are 20 years old (or older), but the person across the counter just checks your age (if you look too young, if you look old enough, they won't ask for your ID).
Posted April 26, 2012
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JudasIscariot: I think Fred_DM means that a Michael Moore documentary isn't one at all because there is a lot of bias in his films. In a documentary you're supposed to just show things as they are without adding your own bias in the mix. Just my own 2 cents on this matter.
Yes, but. Technically what Moore does fits into the genre documentary. Whether they are good documentaries is a different thing - but I don't really see what else you could label them as, fairly [he does enough fact checking to qualify; he's not objective enough to give a balanced view].
Posted April 26, 2012
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JudasIscariot: I think Fred_DM means that a Michael Moore documentary isn't one at all because there is a lot of bias in his films. In a documentary you're supposed to just show things as they are without adding your own bias in the mix. Just my own 2 cents on this matter.
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Mnemon: Yes, but. Technically what Moore does fits into the genre documentary. Whether they are good documentaries is a different thing - but I don't really see what else you could label them as, fairly [he does enough fact checking to qualify; he's not objective enough to give a balanced view].
I know that, but I was trying to play devil's advocate. curse you for ruining my fun :P

Are you SimonG's alt? He does this all the time :D.
Posted April 26, 2012
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Elmofongo: what does that mean?
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JudasIscariot: I think Fred_DM means that a Michael Moore documentary isn't one at all because there is a lot of bias in his films. In a documentary you're supposed to just show things as they are without adding your own bias in the mix. Just my own 2 cents on this matter.
oh I already knew that Moore is a liberal bias I first found out by watching the film Inside Job after watching Moore's Capitalism a Love Story
Posted April 26, 2012
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JudasIscariot: I think Fred_DM means that a Michael Moore documentary isn't one at all because there is a lot of bias in his films. In a documentary you're supposed to just show things as they are without adding your own bias in the mix.
this

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Mnemon: Yes, but. Technically what Moore does fits into the genre documentary. Whether they are good documentaries is a different thing - but I don't really see what else you could label them as, fairly [he does enough fact checking to qualify; he's not objective enough to give a balanced view].
a documentary is supposed to follow the scientific principles of objectivity and neutrality. Moore always has an agenda. the latter makes the former impossible. his films are political.
Post edited April 26, 2012 by Fred_DM
Posted April 26, 2012
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keeveek: I've heard (a rumor) that in Norway or Sweden, if you buy too much alcohol, you should expect visit from govt. employees checking if you're not alcoholic by any chance.
No. The only way I could see that happening is if you have kids and the people selling you the alcohol tip off child protection services. Then they will pay you a visit to make sure the kids are okay.
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Elmofongo: It looks too good to be true to Norwegian users is this real?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4beUC3-ckw
it's from Micheal Moore's documentary film "Sicko"
It's real.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bast%C3%B8y_Prison
Post edited April 26, 2012 by stonebro
Posted April 26, 2012
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hedwards: No, they are, as Wodmarch pointed out, just a protectorarte and AFAIK there's little interest in becoming the 52nd state or even a US territory.
Puerto Rico is a US territory. And there's been significant support for statehood in PR-- 46% voted for it in the most recent referendum on the topic (in 1998).
Post edited April 26, 2012 by Avles
Posted April 26, 2012
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SimonG: No, countless studies over the years have show that harsher penalties have never, not in a single instance (even in extrem cases like Germanys last month in WW2) have let to any reduction in crime.
Vlad III disagree:).
Actually at first it needed to increase inevitability of punishment, then strength. In most cases second not needed. Increase in penalties with a good chance of avoiding punishment does not work.
Posted April 26, 2012
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hedwards: No, they are, as Wodmarch pointed out, just a protectorarte and AFAIK there's little interest in becoming the 52nd state or even a US territory.
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Avles: Puerto Rico is a US territory. And there's been significant support for statehood in PR-- 46% voted for it in the most recent referendum on the topic (in 1998).
eh I'm not planning on staying on this little island for the rest of my life I've been thinking when I'm older I want to move to Canada in the future.
Posted April 26, 2012
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hedwards: No, they are, as Wodmarch pointed out, just a protectorarte and AFAIK there's little interest in becoming the 52nd state or even a US territory.
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Avles: Puerto Rico is a US territory. And there's been significant support for statehood in PR-- 46% voted for it in the most recent referendum on the topic (in 1998).
As far as I can tell that's debatable. Puerto Rico is an unincorporated Territory of the US, which as far as I can tell is pretty much the same thing as a possession or a protectorate of the US, just like Guam, the US Virgin islands and a few others.

It surprises me a bit that Puerto Rico would be able to skip the normal step of being an incorporated Territory first, like virtually all the other states.

At present, no state has ever been an unincorporated territory and then become a full US state.

But, strictly speaking, you are correct, it is an unencorporated organized territory of the US.
Posted April 26, 2012
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Avles: Puerto Rico is a US territory. And there's been significant support for statehood in PR-- 46% voted for it in the most recent referendum on the topic (in 1998).
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hedwards: As far as I can tell that's debatable. Puerto Rico is an unincorporated Territory of the US, which as far as I can tell is pretty much the same thing as a possession or a protectorate of the US, just like Guam, the US Virgin islands and a few others.

It surprises me a bit that Puerto Rico would be able to skip the normal step of being an incorporated Territory first, like virtually all the other states.

At present, no state has ever been an unincorporated territory and then become a full US state.

But, strictly speaking, you are correct, it is an unencorporated organized territory of the US.
If that happens and Puerto Rico will be a 52nd state than the old Puerto Rican people who demanded independence will be sad and angry
Posted April 26, 2012
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Elmofongo: If that happens and Puerto Rico will be a 52nd state than the old Puerto Rican people who demanded independence will be sad and angry
Probably, I think that's always how that works. Anyways, I doubt they'd be as upset as the Canadians. ;-P
Posted April 26, 2012
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Crispy78: I lived in Sweden a little over 20 years ago, and certainly then you could only buy alcohol from official government-run alcohol shops, and you had to produce your identity card - so I could well believe that consumption is/was monitored.
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AFnord: There is no system in place to actually keep track of how much alcohol you buy. You need to show your ID to prove that you are 20 years old (or older), but the person across the counter just checks your age (if you look too young, if you look old enough, they won't ask for your ID).
Well, having to buy alcohol in govt. owned stores is shitty enough to not live there.

It's so hypocritical. "Oh, alcohol is sooo bad. So we will be the only ones to sell it and get all the profit from it".
Posted April 26, 2012
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Elmofongo: If that happens and Puerto Rico will be a 52nd state than the old Puerto Rican people who demanded independence will be sad and angry
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hedwards: Probably, I think that's always how that works. Anyways, I doubt they'd be as upset as the Canadians. ;-P
no shit man if it ever happens Pedro Albizu Campos' ghost will be angry aswell.
Post edited April 26, 2012 by Elmofongo
Posted April 26, 2012
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keeveek: Well, having to buy alcohol in govt. owned stores is shitty enough to not live there.

It's so hypocritical. "Oh, alcohol is sooo bad. So we will be the only ones to sell it and get all the profit from it".
You can still buy alcohol in bars.. and pay 5-6€ for low grade beer/cider.
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